OSW Crowd...

[Todd McCreary]

the cross promotional stuff is a good idea. but pointless as long as the weekly show is as bad as it is.

[Joe]

Make the beer and admission cheaper to get the college kids. Eh, here's the tricky part: A lot of people just don't care... about traditional short track racing.

And I don't think you can make people care when they're not raised to care. But everyone cares about cheap beer. They may even enjoy the novelty of the racing and such.

Heck, the cheap beer on Wednesdays made Ocala Jai Alai again.

[AB195]

Jai Alai is a great night out, always has been that way; just went last Friday night to the Orlando Fronton Jai Alai, and the crowds are picking back up again. I think that Jai Alai is alot of fun, and even though I was with my parents who are in their 80's, they really enjoy Jai Alai also-- and this is from big-time gambling Las Vegas residents.

Beer really didn't have all that much to with it, but it was there. Noticed that the crowd all around was also somewhat younger than in years past; lot's and lot's of college-aged folks were everywhere. And after talking with a bunch of them, they all simply just wanted something fun to do on a Friday night. They were having a ball, and they would be having a ball anywhere they were at.

I told them about SpeedWorld/Short Track stock car racing, and they seemed pretty interested about it.

I'm doing what I can to promote it---and the beer thing/festive atmosphere thing, too.

[M.F.ER]

Tire rules

To get a better car count you need a tire rule. Letting people buy tires every week is not good for car counts.Some guys have a hard time just to afford to go racing every week without having to buy tires to be able to race up front.The lower classes should have a tire rule. Some guys in super stocks are buying tires every week. And some guys can just barely afford to get in the gate.

[Todd McCreary]

Some guys in super stocks are buying tires every week.


your ( heh ) Super Stock champion has already said he'd be happy running on DOT tires. DOT's would also be harder to hook up, helping to level the playing field with those multi-thousand dollar professionally prepared motors.

[Jane]

There always seems to be one person with more money and can buy tires every week. The average joe/jane who race, can't. They are doing good just to get to the track and have alittle fun with today's economy. Yes, the answer would be to make it cheaper for people to race but no matter what unless there is a rule about no new tires every week, you can't stop those who can afford to buy weekly tires from buying them.

There was a time that Super Stocks had to buy used tires from the modified drivers since they weren't allowed new tires but when the modified count went down, they could not find those used tires so easily and had to buy new tires to get tires. But I do know some guys raced on those new tires for as long as they would go because they did not have the money to buy more tires.

There are many people who would love to see the cost of racing be easier because we have alot of parked cars out there that no longer race because of the expense. They just plain can't afford it and don't want to come and run in the rear all the time because they can't compete with the money guys. And you can discuss this forever but normally nothing changes and we just see less and less cars at the tracks which is sad.

If you have a parked car right now, what would it take for you to unpark the car and be able to race???

[andre]

There always seems to be one person with more money

That's life.. It's the same every where, from racing to boat riding, bike cruising, fishing or hunting, There is always one with better equipment, going further, faster & so on.

So next time you decide you go racing, make sure the class, track, serie you will race is at a level you can afford or that you will be pleased with the budget you are ready or capable of investing in your new venture.

Racing a Street Stock on dirt is fun and affordable. Following a serie, racing door to door, week in week out with the ''top notch Late Model racers'' is a very expensive full time job that you are not being paid for, so bring your own cash and lotsa it.

[flraceguy]

To get a better car count you need a tire rule. Letting people buy tires every week is not good for car counts.Some guys have a hard time just to afford to go racing every week without having to buy tires to be able to race up front.The lower classes should have a tire rule. Some guys in super stocks are buying tires every week. And some guys can just barely afford to get in the gate.

Honestly... Super stock should go back to the old rule of using scuffs... And not purchasing new tires... If you know how to use scuffs and how to hook your car up, there is no reason to purchase new tires... And quite honestly, Super Stock is a move up class where you have some modifications and a couple of adjustments so that you learn how to get the car to hook up. Don't forget this is supposed to be a moving up class... Please Todd, DOT tires, again this is a class that is supposed to be above strictly stock not at the same level... A learning class that helps you progress and learn. Make the super stocks go back to scuffs, NO NEW TIRES. This will decrease the amount of money that is needed to "compete" weekly. I will bet once you eliminate this huge expense, you will find that cars will be much more competitive as then people will have to work on getting their cars to handle correctly which is tough in Super Stock.

Don't forget, there are three, excuse me now 4 classes that use 8" tires... Modifieds, E-mods, Trucks, and Super Stocks. There is absolutely no reason that Super Stock cannot get Scuffs from the other two divisions. A great way to make the field more competitive....

Have a great day all...

[Todd McCreary]

Please Todd, DOT tires, again this is a class that is supposed to be above strictly stock not at the same level.


a - take up your objection with the OSW Super Stock champion
b - as far as i'm aware, i was posting some of the fastest times ever for a Strictly. time around OSW? 17.95-18.05 Super Stocks are, what, 1.5 to 2 seconds a lap faster? i'm pretty sure they're a step "above".

[flraceguy]

Todd we aren't talking about a lightweight Ford Probe... We are talking about a 3,200# car, not a car that is at most 2,400#, that is front wheel drive and that we all know should do corners better and therefore turns a very fast time there....

[Hired Gun]

Todd we aren't talking about a lightweight Ford Probe... We are talking about a 3,200# car, not a car that is at most 2,400#, that is front wheel drive and that we all know should do corners better and therefore turns a very fast time there....

Ive turned the same lap times with a full size 70's monte carlo

The "Super Stocks" in Inverness run on street tires.
one of are local fascar drivers who I will not name took their super stock to Citrus and was allowed to run but would not be scored because he was running slicks. out of 16 cars he finished 8th. yep got out ran by a car on street tires

[Todd McCreary]

Todd we aren't talking about a lightweight Ford Probe... We are talking about a 3,200# car, not a car that is at most 2,400#, that is front wheel drive and that we all know should do corners better and therefore turns a very fast time there...



way to completely miss the point, Duane. i'm not pointing out how fast my car is. i'm pointing out how slow Strictlys are.

my oh so powerful, lightweight, cornering on rails Probe still laps ... ~2 seconds slower than a Super Stock. and i put up some of the fastest times in the class, most Strictlys are 1/2 sec or more slower than me. some are lucky to break 20 sec.

ergo, Super Stocks are a step above Strictly Stocks.

now, if you were to let me lower the car, put in race springs and jacking bolts and reprogram the ECU and bolt on 8" slicks what could i do? i might go slower if you made me weigh 3200lbs.

also, you have no idea how much my car weighs as i am 150lbs over your "most". and i really ought to have 1 more door bar ( right now i have 3 and 2 ) on each side of the car.

[Hired Gun]

haha I much as I hate them little probes "nosiey little cars" I'd love to see a "super/mini stock probe...bet paycheck it would kill a big car

[flraceguy]

Todd we aren't talking about a lightweight Ford Probe... We are talking about a 3,200# car, not a car that is at most 2,400#, that is front wheel drive and that we all know should do corners better and therefore turns a very fast time there...



way to completely miss the point, Duane. i'm not pointing out how fast my car is. i'm pointing out how slow Strictlys are.

my oh so powerful, lightweight, cornering on rails Probe still laps ... ~2 seconds slower than a Super Stock. and i put up some of the fastest times in the class, most Strictlys are 1/2 sec or more slower than me. some are lucky to break 20 sec.

ergo, Super Stocks are a step above Strictly Stocks.

now, if you were to let me lower the car, put in race springs and jacking bolts and reprogram the ECU and bolt on 8" slicks what could i do? i might go slower if you made me weigh 3200lbs.

also, you have no idea how much my car weighs as i am 150lbs over your "most". and i really ought to have 1 more door bar ( right now i have 3 and 2 ) on each side of the car.

My apologies Todd.. I had forgotten that you are one of the people who actually put a cage in their smaller car... And Think of it this way... A fully loaded Probe from Ford is at most 2,800, Strip seats and all the other junk, add race seat, 2,400 at most 2,450.... Add 100# for Rollbar and other safety features, 2,550... Ooops forgot about that damn brake light.... So you got me on that one...

The point is that Strictly's are supposed to be slower, they are meant to be an entry level class and/or a class that is affordable to run if you can't afford to move up.... They are not meant to have Race Springs, Upgraded Race shocks, BUILT motors... They are meant to be affordable classes that you can be in without spending all the money like a super stock....

Have a great day all..

[Todd McCreary]

A fully loaded Probe from Ford is at most 2,800


wrong again. a 1995 v6 Probe is +2,900.




The point is that Strictly's are supposed to be slower,


and, gosh-darnit, they actually are. this is shocking, i know.

and guess what? Super Stocks will still be faster even if they run on DOT tires.