Orlando Ministocks

[mark41]

This guy from South Carolina is on some good stuff! I want you to come here with that stock rod motor and turn it 8300 rpms with a stock clutch, flywheel setup! I'll pay you for every lap it runs until it breaks then you pay me for very lap your in the infield! I will come out on the better end of that deal! Lightweight clutches and flywheels are expensive but when a person can build a motor with all light stuff in it and have it last 2 full seasons and be competitive, in my mind that is money well spent!! I'll lend you a leakdown tester to prove it still has less than 2% leakdown. Just stay in SC and we'll race our tube chassis and our expensive "mini's" here in FLORIDA! The Economic Disarray of the times we are in is part of the reasons for low car counts across the USA. Here is something else for you to think about, a persons spends 25,000 on a boat and only takes it out 6 times a year, the rest of the time it JUST sits in the yard collecting dust! Wanna but a real NICE BARELY USED BOAT too??

[ovalracer44]

Wow more people threatened by me. I have put over 1,200 laps on reconditioned stock rods. It is a constant game of who turns the most RPMs up here. As for a light weight bottom end lasting 2 seasons I know you are as full of crap as a christmas turkey on that one.The longer the rod, the shorter the piston. The shorter the piston the faster they wear out, because shorter pistons rock more in the cylinder than taller pistons.

This is for those of you that dont know why a .450 lift rule will save you money. For one there is a limited selection of .450 lift cams on the market. Less experimentation to find what works. Two the harder you turn a .450 lift the slower your lap times. Most .450 lift cams wont work beyond 8,100. Higher lift cams make more horsepower at even higher RPMS. The more RPMS the faster the engine wears out.

[ovalracer44]

You know upon second thought, maybe I will just stay in South Carolina. I will keep the 50 dollars that it costs to get me and my girlfriend in the pits, the money I spend on fuel, the money I put into the local economy with purchases at restaurants, gas stations, and a night at a motel. That much less money will be around to go towards the track, and go into your local economy. Its attitudes like that to blame for attendance at the tracks in the country. I never said this is what needs to happen, I am merely offering an opinion from personal experience. I never said this is what the rules need to be or Im not coming. I will race regardless of what the rules are. I can afford to. Not every one can, and those are the people I am trying to look out for.

So yeah, since the mini stocks are doing such a good job of supporting the track in the winter series, I will let you guys keep at it. I will keep my money In South Carolina.

[Boneman]

Oh great. Now the #19, a car that is 4 seconds off the pace, will be the series champion.

[SeminoleWind]

The very first track that allowed ANY performance parts on ANY ministock was the first nail in the coffin for this division. It's just taken a decade or so to get it close to burial.
Somewhere along the line, we forgot that these cars were Pintos and a bastardized Mustang. With a few safety and suspension modifications, they made decent, affordable race cars. This was supposed to be a division that the driver could move up the ranks, instead the car progressed.
You can now buy or build a full fledged V8 race car for the same price or less money than it takes to campaign today's ministock.

Kevin Shaw

[ovalracer44]

Oh goodness, I have created a quandry havent I. A simple question ended up getting stickied. wow.

[LM18]

I'm sure with only having Disney, Sea World, Universal studios etc.. that it will be a struggle to survive without your contribution to our local economy. Maybe you should think twice about calling out people and their supposed engine prices. Or possibly tackle some other classes as I'm sure they will appreciate your input. By the way I checked out your finishing results in SC and on your website, ever think about taking care of home before you worry about us Floridians. Can we start a new thread about cost control on super late models (haha).

[ovalracer44]

Well there is no racing going on up here right now. Otherwise I probably would. The business I am in does not allow time in the late spring to early fall to race. So when I find a track with some winter races I run them. As for my opinions, it was to help the class. I really offered the opinion based on what I have seen first hand. A track with really extravagant rules with no cars, cut back to more cost efficient engines, and attendance went up 300%. The class went from 6 cars to up to 18 per night. Look at the strictly stock and hurricane divisions. Two divisions that look fun and are probably very affordable, and the counts are very high. 15 cars int he Strictly stock have points so far in the winter series. 30 in the hurricanes have points. Neither one of those divisions are getting payout either. How come the slow economy hasnt killed their division? It doesnt take someone with an economics degree to see when the economy is slow cost containment is a big issue. The more affordable you can make it the more that can afford to do it.

[oneoff]

For LM18

Jared I remember back when you were little and I was big, a long time ago. LOL tell your dad I said hello.

[Todd McCreary]

It doesnt take someone with an economics degree to see when the economy is slow cost containment is a big issue. The more affordable you can make it the more that can afford to do it.

whoa, that actually makes sense. don't talk like that, we'll think you're all crazy like.

and yes, i am laughing at all the people who think legalizing the expensive parts is 'good' for racing.

when there's not much difference in price between race parts and 'stock' parts, fine, legalize the race parts. otherwise leave well enough alone.

all legalizing the big money parts does is raise the barrier to entry and keep out the middle and lower class people who make up the heart and soul of circle track racing.

i don't know if any of you have noticed this but there's A LOT MORE LOWER INCOME FAMILIES than there are upper income families. and it's also the lower income people who tend to have the skill sets to actually know what they're doing when they put a car together. how many dentists do you know that can handle a welder? how many car mechanics or junk yard guys do you know that are living in $500,000 houses? that are bringing 1/4 million dollar haulers to the track?

huh, funny how that works.



Look at the strictly stock and hurricane divisions. Two divisions that look fun and are probably very affordable, and the counts are very high. 15 cars int he Strictly stock have points so far in the winter series. 30 in the hurricanes have points.

to be fair, all of the Strictly Stock cars qualify for the Hurricane rules so most of that Hurricane field is actually being double counted. Strictlies normally run Friday nights and the Hurricanes run Saturdays during the regular season.

we do tend to be one of, if not the biggest, fields each night.

[ovalracer44]

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whoa, that actually makes sense. don't talk like that, we'll think you're all crazy like.

Well I couldn't call you a liar if you did.

[Todd McCreary]

Well I couldn't call you a liar if you did.

well, if'n ya are crazy you oughta come on down anyways. you'll get along great with Boneman.

probably get along with Ron as well:
http://4qracing.homestead.com/hallofinfamy.html