Osw, Please No Bash On This Thread

[georgep]

Can someone get me a CROSS SECTION drawing of WHERE the water is getting on the surface. I will then PAY a civil guy to design the fix for it.
Please MAIL this to
LEATHERIQUE
106 Englewood Road
Aiken S.C. 29803
Attn: George P.
This is the only way that you can REALLY fix the problem is to FIND the flaw and FIX IT.
There is a French Drain deign that would work on any PIT problem.
There is a WELL POINT design that works on ALL Ground water problem
You just have to get a brain in the game that does that for a living.
I will do that FOR FREE just get me the info please.
If it does not EXIST then ALSO TELL ME THAT. I will drive down and do a cad drawing and pass that to the engineer to work his magic.

[flvideo]

Durn George, thats a class act. Thats business racer helping race promoter.
You are duh Man!!!! Bob...

[Todd McCreary]

not a ground water problem. this is happening halfway up the banking in the corners.

all you have to do to observe the ground water level is stand on the bleachers in turn 2 and look at the pond behind the track. then turn towards the track and compare the elevation in the infield.


There is a French Drain deign that would work on any PIT problem.

i have already pointed out that runoff control ( direct it away from the wall instead of towards it ) and French drains would solve this.

my response? radio silence.



edit:
hnh, maybe they're getting serious after all.

quote from Rick from the other thread:
"and then get to work on fixing the issues over the off season. There will be a few things tried this month and surverys and plans made to make the fixes hopefully to end this altogether."

[georgep]

Todd the need for a cross section is so that the civil PE can get an idea of HOW MUCH water must be diverted from the track. A French Drain is the cheap way out. The PERFECT design MIGHT be the Well point system. But I am a CE/EE Not a civil guy.

[AJ14]

Thats a very generous offer to help fix the problem . Its been awhile since i've been there , but from what i've read on this site i think Todd has it right . So Robert should authorize an engineer to make new surveys ( why rely on any information that isn't current ) and take you up on your offer . It sure would be nice to stop seeing the cancellation notice every week .

[Benny The Mule]

Todd the need for a cross section is so that the civil PE can get an idea of HOW MUCH water must be diverted from the track. A French Drain is the cheap way out. The PERFECT design MIGHT be the Well point system. But I am a CE/EE Not a civil guy.

George, Being in the civil and highway construction field 99% of my career i can assure you all OSW needs is a good grading contractor to assess the problem without the added cost of a P.E. and the drainage problem will be resolved...............make the (majority of the water) slope away from the track and you'll see amazing results with little cost to the track.

[georgep]

George, Being in the civil and highway construction field 99% of my career i can assure you all OSW needs is a good grading contractor to assess the problem without the added cost of a P.E. and the drainage problem will be resolved...............make the (majority of the water) slope away from the track and you'll see amazing results with little cost to the track.

See, Someone DID have the answer just had to ask the CORRECT question.
The TOPO of the area shows that also. A dozer and a grader then go race is about what we are talking now.
PS, my PE ows me big time so I WILL get at LEAST a discount for his time

[Todd McCreary]

make the (majority of the water) slope away from the track and you'll see amazing results with little cost to the track.

two points:
1 - OSW has a lot of buildings and facilities ( bleachers, especially ) on the existing grade.
2 - you'd trade one problem ( seeping on the track ) for another ( washout problems on the back slope.

if you simply reverse slope, you're going to have to cap the runoff areas with something. either that or throw washout back up on the hill a couple of times a year.

i also don't know what kind issues that would cause with the existing plant. how far down are you going to be pulling dirt off of the pilings at the base of the bleachers? Rex is already scared to get on them.

cheapest, if they can get away with it, would probably be to reverse slope outside the turns, put a rim up around the outside and have a couple of focused runoff areas in each turn capped with recycled asphalt.

it would be helpful to at least get somebody out there with a laser level to see how off it is and wheel out the dimensions that we're talking about.

actually, i suppose OSW ought to have plans and cross sections on file already. would i be crazy to think that?

[AB195]

Weeping at OSW--

I'll take a stab at it. We have the machinery and the know-how to do the job.

Asphalting all the way around and sloping it away, is way too costly.
There is an easier way, and a much cheaper way to go about it.
Seeing that it doesn't weep down low, only mid to high areas brings it all to light.

My business partner and myself are hopefully going to be showing up on Tues. or Wed. to size it up. He is a civil engineer all the way, and I have an Associates. (slash/ditch-digging degree).

Going to make a call into the NSS office for clearance to step aboard the facility, and to size it up and make a proposal.
r.

[Rick B.]

Thanks to all you are trying to help in a constructive way !

All of you who are making idea and suggestions in a constructive way, and your help is appreciated. I am sure that if you call the office they will let you get in to check it out, with Monday being a Holiday, try Tuesday or call me at 407-497-0448 and I will try to help. I would also like to hear from you with the findings. I have to work my regular job days, but want to know what we can do. I have several folks who have donated time to help if we can set up a time to do it all together. Thanks again.

[georgep]

Thanks all for keeping this thread ON TRACK. This is what it takes to make a difference in something. I run at a NEEDY TRACK in N.C about 225 miles from the house one way. They guy loses his shirt every week but keeps the lights on because he likes to race his 270 micro sprint and have fun. I will do what I can to help someone like that or help out a track that I tried to run at twice towing down from SC for the DARRA shows.
Sounds like a plan is coming together. will keep watch to see how it does.

[fred23]

Don't forget that there is a drag strip BELOW all of this.

[georgep]

Don't forget that there is a drag strip BELOW all of this.

Can you sat MUDD BOGS. Only Kidding the strip would be easy to divert the water around, flat LONG surface trench on outside of guard rail on the water side.

[fred23]

I think I may have put this on the wrong thread originally.....

I have been a little under the weather the last couple of days so since I wasn't doing anything I thought I'd do a little cypherin......I got a 2010 and 2011 calendar and split the year up and low and behold I got it to come out even.

I have NSS starting racing on Sat April 3, 2010. They will have 23 weeks of racing that would end Labor Day weekend September 4, 2010. I figure this is good for NSS because they don't get rained out much because of the sea breeze and they can hit the hotels and condos at the beaches for tourists. They also still have the Clyde Hart on during the Fourth week. THey could start having THursday night practices the last 3 weeks of March. THey could also have a "No Points" week the first week.

I then have OSW starting racing on SATURDAY September 11, 2010 (great day to let ALL first responders in free). Even OJ!! THis is good for Rick and OSW because he does a great job of hitting the schools in central florida. They would race, amazingly, 23 weeks until March 25, 2011. Now they would have to take a few weeks off here and there for the GOV CUP WKND, CHristmas and New Years, and then again for Speedweeks. I thought that they could race on Saturday Afternoons from Thanksgiving through SPeedweeks. College football is basically over the first week of December and it does get a little nippy for us Floridians when the sun goes down. OSW could still have it's JULY CRASH A RAMA and it's Speedweeks for the 600 group.

Now I understand that it would be hard to have to pay bills on the properties while they sat unused but if I am not mistaken, this is about how they have to do it up north because of the winter. We just have to do it because of the rain. Even if they can fix the weepers, which I hope they do, I would be willing to bet they would of had at least half the number of rainouts if not more because of it actually raining on Friday evenings in east Orlando. Even the threat of rain has to keep a great number of racers and spectators alike from making the trip IN FRIDAY AFTERNOON TRAFFIC to OSW. I Live basically in Downtown Orlando and I have had it take me longer to get to OSW on a Friday evening than to get to NSS on Saturday.

Well just my two cents, tell me what you think......