Orlando SpeedWorld Winter Series starts out with 81 cars

[admin]

The following is an example of what is NOT going to be tolerated on this forum:

Just goes to show you That the Orlando Faithful I mean Staff Dont care for ANYTHING you have to say or ANYONE who has a comment. SO what 81 cars in 15 freakin classes, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE Or listen to what the drivers want and you will have 1 mod 1 SLM and 15 junker i.e. beginner classes taking 1 hour to finish a 30 lap feature. IDIOTS!!!! DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR SHUTDOWN THIS WEEKEND AND GO TO THE PRI SHOW AND GET EDUCATED ON HOW TO RUN A TRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[eagletai]

10 bucks says that post gets deleted (and it should!!!)


Like the PRI show has anyone to teach how to run a track - lol

Sir, Please read the below listed thread.
http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/mys...ACE07&EDU=true

SEMINAR: Short Track Ticket Sales Success Strategies
WHEN:Saturday 8-9 AM 8 Dec 2007
WHERE: PRI SHOW ORLANDO

And Guess what you can get to the track in time to put to use what you learned.

[eagletai]

I guess i'm one of those people that's branded now,
Yes my post was removed after rereading the rules, I understand and it makes me go hummmm!!!

But what i'm in awe is over the following:
Track personnel and or personnel involved with the Track come on this board and boast how great the racing was at their track that weekend.
Which is ok I guess, until people in attendance come on here and say actually what THEY saw, now that offends track management and personnel that work at such tracks, why may I ask?
If your going to boast about your facility week in and week out and Fans come on here and give you a opinion about the situation, why should you go on the defensive. It is no different if I call your office and give it to you right. No, because what is written here is seen by many and the moderators of this board and the Tracks dont want that. Like if I called you would act on it (yada, yada, yada, yes sir, thank you for your call we will get right on that)

So I guess when tracks ask for suggestions/comments we should give it unless ask for it right! Oh I get it, shut up and read what being given to you and if we want your opinion we will ask for it and then moderate it, GOT IT!

Bottom line to me and others that i've talked to that attend racing facilties and give you their money, Clean up the facility, Clean up the racing, have drivers Clean their cars (tire marks, dents and cars not painted since the first paint job, Yes i'm talking about Support Classes: Stickly Stocks, Junior Stocks and Super Stcoks) and then comments will turn from what you take as negative suggestions to positive notes. Yes these classes tend to fustrate Mod, SLM, Traveling Series drivers/crews after watching them lay down Antifreeze/Oil and car parts and all this is done at a snails pace only to rush to get the show in.

[Osmosis Jones]

Yes and no....

Just goes to show you That the Orlando Faithful I mean Staff Dont care for ANYTHING you have to say or ANYONE who has a comment. SO what 81 cars in 15 freakin classes, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE Or listen to what the drivers want and you will have 1 mod 1 SLM and 15 junker i.e. beginner classes taking 1 hour to finish a 30 lap feature. IDIOTS!!!! DO YOURSELVES A FAVOR SHUTDOWN THIS WEEKEND AND GO TO THE PRI SHOW AND GET EDUCATED ON HOW TO RUN A TRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I would probably censored this post also just for his calling people idiots. Plus he could have phrased things a little better but hey, at least he didn't curse at anyone. His second post got his point across a lot clearer and without the putdowns so I hope it gets to stick around a while.

There's probably a good lesson here but I'm not sure what it is.......


OJ

[john tenney]

Sir, Please read the below listed thread.
http://www.mapyourshow.com/shows/mys...ACE07&EDU=true

SEMINAR: Short Track Ticket Sales Success Strategies
WHEN:Saturday 8-9 AM 8 Dec 2007
WHERE: PRI SHOW ORLANDO

And Guess what you can get to the track in time to put to use what you learned.

Eagle I concede. You got me there. I may make that seminar!

[Shiloh64]

Jerry's point has gotten lost in the shuffle. With or without reference to the Constitution, there's too many classes for too few cars. Fine for your one afternoon , or evening of FREE racing. But I thought the idea was to get more fans in the seats, on a more or less regular basis. People that PAY to see a quality racing show and not just show up for a free "novelty" event. Give 'em a top class, three support divisions and you're good to go. The cars that are coming from track X or track Y, for whatever their reasons, will conform to one of your 4 classes. Hopefully a couple of classes will then meet the magic number of 24 cars, that used to be considered a full feature.

The support division are especially important as the newer (and younger) drivers bring family, friends, high school buddies, etc. This fades as the years go by, but they, with their large per car following and the small payout are what allows the top class, with it's high cost (and payout) to be able to run. Don't anybody kid themselves. Real fans like Jerry, myself, and some of the other posters, aren't the backbone of fan support for the weekly tracks. It's Aunt Matilda, Uncle Bill, and the flock of nieces, nephews, sisters, brother-in- laws, that support the Sat. night events. I can't and shouldn't speak for fans such as Jerry but I think that we tend to "cherry pick" our shows and will travel further and pay more for what we want to see. Personally, I wouldn't walk across the street to see 7 cars racing, be they sprints, midgets or late models, unless some relative or close friend was racing. Would I enjoy RUNNING a car in a race like that. You bet your boots, but that's close to Club Racing, where no one cares if anyones watching. That's for another thread. As is often said ---JMHO

[Osmosis Jones]

Thank God for Seiko....cuz my Timex sux....

Say what?
I got lost after "oh my gosh!"

Are you, among other things, bashing folks for having a somewhat dim view of small fields of cars at their local track? And for also saying they have too many similar classes at said track?

"one problem is that no matter what a track owner does, someone is going to complain!"

Only to then offer up your own incredibly familiar sounding complaints about the same issues? All In the very same post?

"so they have split alot of classes up and given them different names... WAYYYYYYYYY too many classes... i sure do agree with that."
" in my opinion i could probably enjoy 4 cylinder races if there was one class with a decent count... not 4-5 different 4 cylinder races. UGH "

What do they call that?.....oh yeah....SARDONIC IRONY!

"just have fun with the message boards. play the games and communicate with friends but stop thinking you are all the RACE GODS!!! none of you have to pay the exhorbitant bills and none of you have to please thousands of people every single week and still maintain a half decent home life."

Now THIS is sage advice.
But....just as you would wish upon others....FIRST....heal thyself.

[Frasson118]

How are these tracks supposed to pay these "exhorbitant bills" if they they don't give a damn what their (admittedly) few paying customers want to see. Are we just supposed to fork over hard-earned cash, give them all a slap on the back just because they opened the gates, took our money, and put on a horrible show? Sorry,but the racing business is no different than any other entertainment business.... you get your money's worth,or you don't. If all you are used to is Hamburger Helper, it isn't bad. But you shouldn't have to pay for Filet Mignon's , and get a Big Mac instead... and you think we're supposed to HAPPY to get it?

If they don't start listening to what the PAYING customer wants, there will be no more PAYING customers.

This is in NO WAY directed at OSW, or any track in particular. As race fans, we DON'T WANT 12 classes with 7 in each. Start worrying about what WE want for a change... 4-5 classes, a 3 to 3 1/2 hour show.

Matter of fact OSW had 4 classes tonight, and a fine night of racing at that. The whole thing was over by about 10:30 or 11:00ish. I didn't hear one complaint about the program at all. Four different Open Wheel classes, for the same money that some tracks want to charge for a bunch of lower classes, and maybe a 50 lap Bomber extravaganza.... Hoop-De-Doo!

Too many want to have a $5.00 program, and charge $20 to see it.... and we're supposed to be grateful or it?

No offense Carol, but if you really want to feel bad for someone, pick us fans for a change! It could (and should) be different.

[eagletai]

oh my gosh! i read these posts over and over on every board. hundreds of people and hundreds of different ideas of what is fun!
one problem is that no matter what a track owner does, someone is going to complain! someone wont be having fun. none of you can speak for everyone. none of you can speak for anyone. only for yourselves!
from what i see we are almost back to the civil war on some of these boards. . the north against the south views. well you really cant compare! nothing is the same. weather, amount of tracks, the length of the seasons, and what people want to see. the northerners down here want to see what they were used toup there... i loved the races i went to at Norwood arena outside of boston... but i love the racing i see here too. "when in Rome, do what the Romans do"... if its so great up there then what are we all doing down here???
the economy has changed since most of us migrated. the south does not have the money the north has. the southern drivers race every month. the north about half the year, if that.
due to SEVERAL problems we have not been able to fill our stands consistantly and our car counts are down. how can a track owner have big races every week (SLM, TBARA, etc) and survive? they have to run the less expensive classes to make ends meet.... so they have split alot of classes up and given them different names... WAYYYYYYYYY too many classes... i sure do agree with that. at the same time i understand alot of the reasons we have so many classes...one of the reasons is to make room for the kids who are coming up in racing. i adore them...i love watching them but do i think little kids should be racing? NO! maybe in the go karts but not in the full sized street vehicles. if they arent allowed to drive them on the streets then they shouldnt race for a living! even if they arent racing for money, they are racing for prizes. they should be doing school activities and hanging out with kids their age...they should be "PLAYING" because thats what kids do... JUST MY OPINION! right or wrong i think this is an adult sport supported by adults and controlled by adults. please dont get me wrong. i love the kids and some of them out race the veterans. they are polite and gifted but....they are children in an adult world. in MY eyes it is wrong.
the competition is so stiff... every track wants to survive so they butt heads against each other. one of the things that make that possible is the message boards. they are a double edged sword. a fantastic means to spread good information and a lazy cheap way to promote....sorry folks but it is! the people who go to race tracks every week read the boards to do whatever...the general public, who we are trying to reach dont even know what sights to go to. half of them dont even know there is a race track in their area.so what are the answers. GET THE WORD OUT IN THE STREETS! in my opinion i could probably enjoy 4 cylinder races if there was one class with a decent count... not 4-5 different 4 cylinder races. UGH
rusty tried something different. did it work for Orlando? i dont know but i do know one thing..HE TRIES TO BRING IN PEOPLE! he never sits around crying. in fact he never bitchez...he just tries something else. FOR ONCE THANK SOMEONE WHO TRIES! (im not yelling...i just dont want anyone to skip over lol)
i still say that as long as a track owner gives me $15 worth of fun racing, nothing else he does is my business! if i dont like the show i choose another.
if i go to the cinema i choose the movie i want to see and dont bother with the rest...we are addicts and want to go racing every single weekend of the year. well it cant be perfect every weekend!
and the insults really suck! if anyone REALLY has an issue with a track then make an appointment and ask to meet with the owner and discuss your problem. not the nit picking BS because they should not even have the time to deal with that.
there are people like rusty, guy, don, bobby, john and many others who devote most of their lives trying !!!!! we need to shut up and let them do their jobs. we need to sit back and let them have enough peace of mind to THINK...
just have fun with the message boards. play the games and communicate with friends but stop thinking you are all the RACE GODS!!! none of you have to pay the exhorbitant bills and none of you have to please thousands of people every single week and still maintain a half decent home life.
am i right. sometimes...am i wrong? sometimes... but at least i support this sport in a positive friendly way! Try it sometime! i go racing every single week.... PLEASE dont tell me i know nothing! i go to meetings, i do radio shows, i walk thru the pits and talk to everyone, i try to add something good to these boards. ive taken my beatings but i am a TIMEX! this is my sport and i LOVE it! kick me if you want but i guarantee im not going to stop trying! if you disagree with me thats ok. just tell me in a polite humane way why... if you cant do that then go pound sand. just "ignore" me. ;-)
carolwicks

Not about North versus South.
Not about being a Racing God.
Not about scheduling a meeting with a track Owner. (they dont care)
I will let them have peace of mind to think but remember when the people go away while they think of the next gimmick they are to blame.
I want to see racing not Gimmicks, Games and Gosh Darn it i'm doing the best with what i've got attitude...
Poor me attitude gets you little pity with a paying customer, Period!

You said it, "Cheap way to promote on message baords"
Everything is on the cheap here except the back gate fee,tires,fuel and entrance fees!!!
Additional Northern 5 tracks within 3 hours of each other and they get along, used to race fri, sat, and sun from march until nov,
It is just plain selfishness of track owners and not caring to play together for the common good of racing point blank period. If track owners within driving distance would get together and have common rules then some fans would follow the cars. The track owners are the Main instigators of this situation .

[Osmosis Jones]

Understatement University

Originally Posted by carolwicks
i may not be right about EVERYTHING like you guys are but i, as well as many others, love racing and if it's all that bad, then why do you go? i am a fan too.... sometimes it isnt perfect, but NOTHING is....
the people who go the most seem to complain the most. maybe you expect too much...Please tell me where you can go for 3-4 hours of fun for $15... through the years everything has changed...dancing, music, movies,sports, engines, laws, cost of living..i guess im wrong again... getting to be a bad habit. ;-).....change isnt easy but we have no choice but to adapt.
the people who own the tracks not only have to support the track business but also their personal lives....it is their livelihood and right now they are doing everything they can to survive and to please thousands of race fans at the same time.......
dont you think they want to be successful? they sure arent busting their butts to fail!
carolwicks



She graduated Magna Cum Laude......

Getting to be?.....

[eagletai]

i may not be right about EVERYTHING like you guys are but i, as well as many others, love racing and if it's all that bad, then why do you go? i am a fan too.... sometimes it isnt perfect, but NOTHING is....
the people who go the most seem to complain the most. maybe you expect too much...Please tell me where you can go for 3-4 hours of fun for $15... through the years everything has changed...dancing, music, movies,sports, engines, laws, cost of living..i guess im wrong again... getting to be a bad habit. ;-).....change isnt easy but we have no choice but to adapt.
the people who own the tracks not only have to support the track business but also their personal lives....it is their livelihood and right now they are doing everything they can to survive and to please thousands of race fans at the same time.......
dont you think they want to be successful? they sure arent busting their butts to fail!
carolwicks

Carol Your missing my point.
Here it is, I would pay whatever the track operator thinks is a fair price for admission to see racing at his facility, but after going for almost a year nowto various tracks and seeing little changes and current divisions running it is hard for me to support a track that doesnt look to the future.

Second, in any of my posts I've never said anything about prices, what I said was if your going to charge 20-25 dollars to get in, then put on 20-25 dollars worth of racing. For what I see at some tracks today is exactly what Bronson has done and I applaude them for it, run support classes and roll back the prices Kudos to them. Regardless, put on a clean 15-20 car deep show and i'll fork out the cash to go see some good CLEAN racing with CLEAN cars. But the current state of cars all dented tire marks not rubbed off and the grass as high as the numbers on car door, no i'm not goig to pay the price they ask for.
Week after week I do attend races and look around every week to see what has changed or if the divisions of cars have improved and I very little.

And for some tracks to ask for donations to repair the facility after making a poor decision themselves (Tower at CCMP! if they didnt get the permits or consult with the County before putting it up shame on them) is just plain ridiculous (goes back to that woe is me attitude) like me making a mistake in my buisness then asking my customers for donations to pay for it. Smart buisness plan! When is enough?? This thread is dead people just dont get it...

[Osmosis Jones]

Did you feel that?

This thread just got a little lighter.....

I applaud your decision to remove those offending remarks about the 4 cylinder classes. That was probably the right thing to do. They are out there every week too and as such have feelings and deserve your respect and admiration as much as the next participant-weak, division out there.
Kudos. Really.

It always takes a big person to admit they didn't have a clue.

Keep up the good work.



OJ

[eagletai]

This thread just got a little lighter.....

I applaud your decision to remove those offending remarks about the 4 cylinder classes. That was probably the right thing to do. They are out there every week too and as such have feelings and deserve your respect and admiration as much as the next participant-weak, division out there.
Kudos. Really.

It always takes a big person to admit they didn't have a clue.

Keep up the good work.



OJ

It always takes a big person to admit they didn't have a clue
Are you referring to me?

[Osmosis Jones]

Que?

Did you erase a post about 4 cylinder classes?

No?

Then no. I wasn't talking about you, dude.

Check yer private messages.


OJ