Teched With Competitors Equipment?

[Billy Cuddy]

I feel violated this morning. Last night I won the race at OSW, after spending $1000 from the wreck on the 50 lapper. I went through tech and was told that I had to put my car on my competitors chassis dyno for free or be dq'ed. Earlier in the night I talked with Rick about the problems with danielle lazslo, he's the one that insisted I caused the wrecks in the 50 lapper, then the video proved him wrong, he also insisted that we have a big motor, my car made the same power as everyone elses, they couldn't believe it so they made me pull it 4 times. they've p&ged me, checked our cam, we've pulled our motor apart in front of everyone, rod and piston out completely tore down,I don't see this going on in any other class at all, when is it gonna stop? It seems like they are trying to run us out of there. This is a hobby stock class and they are teching us like a cup team (takes a lot of the fun out). Seems like we are being punished for being fast, making us get on our competitors chassis dyno is WRONG, there are protest procedures that should be followed. the guys that we race against got to see our car underneath, the front, and the back while they were tying it down, they got to see what our motor does, all for FREE. It's wrong no matter which way you look at it.(towards us) There are other cars out there that win a lot of races in the other classes why aren't they being treated like this? I believe in teching but there is a limit.

[Boneman]

What was the purpose of the chassis dyno? There is nothing in the rules about a maximum wheel horsepower, so why bother checking it? The track and the competitors have an obligation to check the competition, BUT they have to do it where specific rules apply and clear determinations can be made.

It is my understanding that the track promised not to DQ anyone because of the dyno result. If this is the case, then I ask again about the purpose of the whole episode.

Two more comments: the owner and operator of the chassis dyno is involved with other cars in the class, but I also know him to be an honorable guy who was doing the job that the track paid him to do. Sorry, it is not a perfect situation, but my objection to the dyno lies with the decision to use it and not with Mr. Laszlo.

Finally, I think the track should supply some grief councelors to Mr. Cuddy so he can work through his feelings of violaton. If nothing else, the whole dyno scene was some good theater.

[Todd McCreary]

not to mention, i'm sure Byron isn't going to appreciate another engine builder ( Dick Laszlo ) getting a free look at a dyno run from one of his motors.

me? i'd want to keep Byron happy if i had one of his engines.



the owner and operator of the chassis dyno is involved with other cars in the class, but I also know him to be an honorable guy who was doing the job that the track paid him to do. Sorry, it is not a perfect situation, but my objection to the dyno lies with the decision to use it and not with Mr. Laszlo.

the question isn't whether or not Dick himself is "honorable". he is and has been associated with the repair, maintenance, racing and building of numerous cars in the class.

it is completely improper to force one competitor to submit to inspection by another one of his direct competitors without any protest money being put up. whether or not the track has decided to "hire" the second competitor for the night is irrelevant. let him tech classes he doesn't have anything to do with. which may be difficult for Dick as he has been involved with so much. nothing against him, that's just the way it is.

i suspect the primary reason why OSW had him out there was to dyno the trucks. Dick was just doing what his employer was telling him to do.


another thing? you'd better figure out how you want that dyno run so you aren't accusing the driver of trying to sandbag the pull. demanding 4 pulls because you can't force a "cheater number" off of the dyno graph is beyond the pale.



ps - Billy, you ought to add "208hp bitches" to your signature.

[Edm]

Look at the bright side, maybe we won't hear a bunch of trash about your cheated up motor anymore. Sorry, I don't know of Byron ever cheating motors up and ruining his name.
You race week in and week out for several years at the same track. What do they expect? At least you start near the back.

You could come out like Pedie with the absolute best of everything win week in and week out and then still start on the poll. Granted, there was some good competition and it was a decent race but come on man, lets see what you really have.

[Billy Cuddy]

EDM, that was my first thought after the dyno pulls, but the pit stewart Donny Lewis swore I was cheating. He called me a ---- sucker and was threating to throw me out for cussing even after the dyno pulls. Donny definately had something against me Friday. After the dyno pulls I was talking to Robert Hart not arguing or yelling Donny butted in and told me he was gonna walk me to my trailer and throw me out for 2 weeks if I said another cuss word, he was so mad that my car made the same power as the others .There were so many people in the pits that saw this going on, I hope that they will say something to Rick, Butch or Robert. I was treated so wrong with the dyno thing, then the icing on the cake was Donny Lewis. I'm a die hard OSW man, and they are almost ready to run me off. When their done with me who's gonna be next? They need to do right by everybody.

[Edm]

I don't understand why they treat drivers and owners like that. Have you ever raced at Auburndale? I think you would have fun there too and its not that much further. I love OSW and I love racing there but I am gonna miss it when its gone.

[raceman16]

When You Win You Get Attintion

I was there as a spectator and I viewed many different things friday night. I hope people will see that what you see in the box is much different than when you are looking at the box from the outside. I should have my car done by friday and i will continue to race as long as i can afford it. I have one opinion on this whole mess. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats all I have too say about that. Lets race hard on the track. I dont complain that much I will just go faster.

[mizechris]

Mr. Cuddy, I agree with you. As a past promoter and GM of a track I was greatly against any motor builder looking at another builders motor. Hobby stock getting a dyno? WHY? It was said in one of the other threads above that they would not dq for the dyno test they just wanted to check it. WHY THE HELL DO IT THEN? This is way beyond what I could ever understand. If your not using the dyno for tech don't use it. And it should never be done by another builder or car owner. Mr. Cuddy, if you tore your car all the way down and showed and weighed the crank and took the piston out what the hell else is there to see. You should have got paid something for the dyno. They did it and you was the same as everyone else. YOUR LEGAL!!!! No matter what you say it sounded like a protest and you passed it so where is your money. As for the pit stewert. When the hell does a pit stewert decide who gets teched and what gets teched? Isn't that the tech mans call? Where was the tech man? Better yet, where was Rick?

Rick, if you don't want Mr. Cuddy there anymore then just have lunch with him someday and tell him you don't. If he is hurting the car counts or something I am sure the man will understand some of your points if explained right. Don't run him through the tech mill week in and week out. Why would he cheat now knowing something will get checked everyweek?
Good luck Mr. Cuddy

[backdoorbob]

Once a cheater always a cheater. What was your horsepower and torque compared with the other cars? Who also got teched? I can see the track side of it. People don't want to see the same car win every week when they are not legal. I dont even care to watch the superstock race anymore if the cuddys are there. They got caught once already with a cc head problem. Did you guys weigh the crank? Maybe you have cheated intake,heads and exhaust that are not detectable? just my thoughts. what is 208hp. I'm sure you car did alot more than that......

[Billy Cuddy]

About the pit stewart, I told him he's not the tech guy why is he treating me this way? He told me he's tech tonight. I was talking to the tech guy without yelling, but when I was talking to the pit stewart he made me yell. He was very unprofessional Friday. I wanted the tech guy to work the dyno, but nobody knew how to work it, but our competitor. I even told Carl the tech guy to have Donny leave us alone, he was stirring crap. I've only won four races this year. The 01 superstock at New Smyrna has won that many or more.I've been in tech the whole night numerous times this year watching the other classes come across the scales and leave, but for our biggest race this year (50 lapper) my and my brothers car were not in the top three, and they werent in tech 30 minutes. This I watched with my own eyes. It needs to stop, right now it's me, but whose gonna be next. I talked to everybody I could at the track Friday. I hope they can get this fixed.

[Billy Cuddy]

Back door Bob, we were half a cc off last year. The heads were four years old. After pulling them in tech a couple of times and a blown head gasket, we never re-cced them after they were resurfaced. Looking back now we should have, half a cc off is like 10 pounds light. We were wrong and we took it like men. That's not bad for 8 years of racing, considering as much as we've been teched. Half a cc off was a mistake, definietly not cheating. They have checked our intake and exhaust, torque converter, pulled our rear end cover off, checked it. 208hp was the rear wheel hp. We made four pulls at 6000 rpms every pull. You are one of the very few that don't wanna watch the superstock race. It's usually the best of the night. I personally don't wanna watch the super late model races because there is not that much passing.

[Todd McCreary]

Look at the bright side, maybe we won't hear a bunch of trash about your cheated up motor anymore.


you are too optimistic.

as Billy said, i saw track employees claiming that all four runs had been sandbagged. which only tells me that they don't know how to run the dyno in the first place. which means they should never have brought the dyno to the track.........



let's look at possible outcomes from this episode:
1 - Billy gets found with extra power on the dyno, gets torn down and found illegal. unlikely, as Billy has been torn down several times already and they can't find anything.

2 - Billy gets found with extra power on the dyno, gets torn down and NOT found illegal. now the tech crew looks incompetent, whether they are or not.

3 - Billy pulls no more power than anyone else. Tech accuses him of sandbagging pulls but now doesn't have an excuse to demand a tear down, creating hard feelings from Billy ( because he's being accused of cheating even though they can't call anything "wrong" ) and all the other competitors in the class ( who think he's cheating because the track is telling them so ). as an added bonus, the other competitors are mad because the track has just told them that it doesn't know how to tech so there's not a single driver in the class who is happy.

4 - Billy pulls no more power than anyone else, the track calls him good and tells everyone else that they need to buckle down and work harder.


the sorriest thing about this is that the track has never needed an "excuse" to tell a driver to tear down before. and the Cuddy's have never ( i don't think ) refused a tear down before. the dyno result wouldn't have given the track the "authority" to ask for anything they haven't demanded before and it doesn't "prove" anything about the legality of the engine build. and there is certainly nothing in the rule book about putting a car on a dyno or pulling a certain hp number. there's no real up side here.

[Todd McCreary]

Once a cheater always a cheater.

Once a coward, always a coward.

[jacobwarrenperformance]

B...S...!!!!!!!!!!!

Bear with me this is my first post & hopefully the last. I hate the internet and people who use it to post & hide behind a screen name. I just got a call about the B...SH.. in SuperStock tech on Friday night. Not real sure who was in charge of that deal, but that was real BS!!!!!

I have been a spectator, competitor & an engine builder here in Florida for most of my life. I built many of these motors under Dennis Boyds banner (whom I worked for over 15 years) & I have built or supplied many of these racers with motors and parts under my new banner Jacob Warren Performance. I was there when we tore down the #52 of which I built, the same motor that had been teched numerous times & found legal. The track did not even have the tools to cc head in our presence, so we left the head only to be found at 71.5cc the next day. OK the penalty paid. The same competitors were there all up in our engine. Crying and whining thats all they could come up with. However Dennis Boyd had these heads off the previous year and they were fine in tech. Now there is another Cuddy winning and the bitching is getting worse. I supplied some of the parts to build this engine, the same as which the #52 has. Another engine builder supplied the short block I do not want to take his due credit. This engine has bee P&G and teched before as well. The same results, the guys who work the hardest on the chassis win. Lets not forget we are cirlce track racing not DraaaaaaaaaaaaG racing, it takes a good car and motor.

So now where is the rule that we can chassis dyno cars now??? OH wait and on top of that let the competition do it??? That is B...SHI.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would be embarrassed as a competitor to tech/chassis dyno my competition just because I am too lazy to beat them on my own. I am pretty sure, tell me if I am wrong I do not think the track or competition wants or would let me check out my competition like that.

You would be surprised to see the guys who cry the most cheat the most, in the wrong places. I speak from experience, I have done lots of work for many racers, engine builders, and the do it yourselfer. Lots of whom have illegal stuff like 383s and 400s. Now I know where these guys race and our local asphalt tracks do not allow this but they are there. If you would run that P&G machine a little farther back in the lineup you might find them. Its hard to take if you know you are cheating and still getting beat by a pony motor 350.

By the way how much power is legal on the chassis dyno??? DO you realize how many other things affect that?? Carb, exhast pipes, air cleaner, drivetrain, gear, gear lube, tire size, drive shaft alignment and most of the time misalignment. If you guys want to chassis dyno something try your so called SPEC MOTOR & CRATE MOTORS (HaHaHAHAHAHAH). I know you would not like what you find there. I only wonder why Florida Stock Car racing is going down the TOILET. It is sad but TRUE, I hate to see it, because I Love racing. So if you disagree speak from experience, don't hide behind your celebrity screen name put your money where your mouth is.

Yours Truly
Jacob Warren

[Patrobins]

I dont complain that much .

I was going to stay out of this one until I saw this message. I call BS on this one, you are one of the biggest cry babies out there. You should hear yourself sometime in the tech shed after you get beat.