racing question need to know answer

[ronabneysr]

cars are lined up come out of corner good start they are running 50 lap race lets say on lap 10 a car that is running fifth place spins out by his self no body touched him nothing on track caused him to spin why doe's he get his spot back ... next question car dumps a car he goe's to rear right

the reason i am asking is i never seen so many cars spin out and go back were they were running after they spun out by there self

cause if you spin out enough you could wind up on pole running first right we still have a black flag right

[Joe]

I'm a big fan of sending both cars -- both the cause and the effect of the caution -- to the rear of the field. Cars that spin by themselves should never get their spot back, not even if they spin to miss a crash in front of them.

[flvideo]

I strongly disagree Joe, The car that orignally brought out the caution should go to the rear. If theres a spinee and a spiner, they both go to the back. If a car spins by himself, unless he gets in anothers oil, should go to the rear. One thing I like is when a track has a 3 spin rule, they go to the pits. Thats 3 spins by yourself. If you get spun out you just go to the rear. Its been my experience that when drivers know they will go to the rear too spinning people slows a lot. Just my opinion... Bob...

[Winger]

I wholeheartedly agree with Joe. The only stipulation being that if a car spins to avoid a wreck, AFTER THE CAUTION HAS BEEN THROWN, he would get his spot back.
Some don't think it's fair for a person, that is spun, to have to lose their position. However, in most parts of the country, that's the way it is and it works. Even NASCAR does it that way. It eliminates the judgment calls and a lot of accusations. If it's intentional, that's what the black flag is for.

[ronabneysr]

thanks i would have thought that

more people would have responded to this than three .. because you could have drew a bad pill had to start in rear .

and you are working your way to front now you got four super fast cars up front got good pill or won there heat . and they are gone now you are working your way from back . but ever time you pas five or six cars and get closer to front car spins out that is not handling and is just out there for ride running half second slower

and you really got to watch that guy to get by him cause he has already spun out twice and started in front of you now you got to get by him before he spins in front of you and knocks your wheels off your car

or the leader is coming up on mr spin it out bubba and he ain't got a clue what a move over flag is or were leader is and you have all ready passed him couple times

i know ever one has the same right to race as the next guy but if you are going lay up on couch all week and watch jerry springer or cops and not work on your car and it won't handle get out of way or don't spin out or work on your car .. i know it has to be a tough job being a flagman and trying to please ever one but them race cars - tires - parts - and engines - are expensive - and some of us don't lay on couch all week we have full time job and work on our cars ever day .

there is no race car shop at salvation army or goodwill to buy parts for these cars .race car engineering treats us right at speed shop but he don't have any buy one get one free or half price sell it's cash

[georgep]

From the flagstand

In my 20 plus years and I am sure that Wild Child has done the same.
1. You spin you go to the rear.
2. You get punted, and it is CLEAR who did it, they go to the rear, you get your spot back.
3. You get punted, MAYBE, the car that is STOPPED or spun goes to the rear other gets a rolled black saying once more and you go home.
4. You spin to avoid, no harm, no foul.
5. YOu DO NOT move over, Rolled black 1st time, 2nd time BLACK and pits.
6. YOu spin out (3) times no help, Black Flag there is something wrong with the car. A loose nut either on the car or in the car.
This is the grey area but must be treated as black and white for all drivers to keep it a level playing field.
I made my own calls and never took the PROMOTERS input as to who to black flag or put to the rear. This does happen.
No play nice and go race

[AJ14]

It hurts to admit that i agree with NASCAR on anything , but they have it right when it comes to spins or wrecks . All cars involved go to the rear . If a car was spun out , the driver responsible may get no penalty , or he may get blackflagged for aggressive driving . Or he may get some teeth loosened after the race .
On this topic , i saw a race recently where the leader , out front all by himself , spun and that brought out the caution . The lineup then reverted back to the last completed lap , thereby putting the driver right back into the lead .
Again , i hate to say it but on this subject , NASCAR does it right .

[R. J. Scott]

I don't believe NASCAR puts the cars that spin to the tail...I believe that most go there because they went to the pits for new tires, but at the short tracks where maybe they don't go to the pits after a spin, where ever they get going again is where they re-start...not always at the tail. You mostly notice it at the short track races...after a spin,where ever they blend in line and get going again is where they restart. I'm pretty sure that's how it is...

[AJ14]

You're right R J . The cars that spin or crash blend back into the field as long as they don't lose a lap . As you say , they then usually pit to fix any damage , so they end up at the back anyway .

[Winger]

RJ, as AJ said, you are correct. The point is they don't get their original position back.