All Jacked up on Mountain Dew!

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But My brakes failed sir! Last lap on 150 lap race!

[Todd McCreary]

nice vid cap.

was 48 actually leaving that much room on the bottom before there was contact?

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I don't think there was as much as it looks. When the 93 got under him he drifted up some. Man what a race. That was the 2nd best late model race I,ve seen this year, course only seen two. LOL! The best was the last time these guys were racing here. The put on on a show. There was a fair amount of cautions, but they were mostly from hard racing. Bob...

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good thing it was the last lap.

[mr south 59]

Bob, Do you have video of that other race you were talking about? I think it was the end of November. Dustin's gram was asking about it last weekend.

Nice pictures.

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Yes I do, call me tomorrow and I'll make a copy to send to Gramm. Bob... 941-737-5857

[AB195]

It is a perfect picture of what happened.

The Checkered Flag was waving, for all to come undernearth.

This is exactly where and why the talk was all about.

Does the flagman pull it back up, and quickly throw the yellow?
Or does the race end as the checkered flag indicates, and all the Racers to take the stripe/checkered as they cross?

[mr south 59]

Bill,

Dustin ran the last 11 laps of that race with a flat RF, smoke and rubber flying everywhere, only to finish in 3rd. Is there good video of that? Thats what gramm wants to see. It was exciting.

AB195,

JMO but I think it should have been a checker with a yellow. Go back to the last completed lap and move the offenders to the end of the line up. The rules of the race should not change just because it is the last lap. My opinion is base on that the track or series does not have a green, white, checker policy. Like CCMP.

[Todd McCreary]

Or does the race end as the checkered flag indicates, and all the Racers to take the stripe/checkered as they cross?

i already pointed out in the other thread, it doesn't matter whether or not the flagman waved the field across on the checker, they can still hold the field out on the track, reset the lineup and give them a green + 2 to go and everyone will be up to speed on what's happening.

it's not like the whole field didn't pass the leader spun out in turn 4, they all knew what was going on.




I don't think there was as much as it looks.

pretty much what i figured, there was a bunch of contact before that first still.

[mizechris]

I didn't see this race. But just my 2 cents. Look at the white line on the bottom. 93 makes contact with 48. 93 around 10 foot of line 48 around 6 foot off. As the wreck goes on the 93 has no problem ducking to the bottom. Watch the pics and the line. As for the finish. The way I did it is like this. Just because the flagman has the checkered out the race isn't finished. When the leaders are in turn 4 there is no way checkered should have been waving much less race done. The line across the finish line ends the race. Here is what I would have done. Yellow out right away. Refer to the last lap for line up. 93 goes tail for taking out 48. 48 gets spot back as leader spin was no fault of his. Then run a green white checkered. If you end the race by leaving checkered out 2 things happen. 48 gets screwed and everyone behind them do. 3rd 4th and 5th place cars will check up and lose speed. Cars back a bit see more what is happening and have time to pick a lane and pass cars that have checked up. It isn't fair to finish like this to all involved and in my past I have seen it cause very bad blood.

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I believe the leader should be protected especially if he's just driving his line and 2nd place jacks him up and puts him around. I am in agreement the caution should have come out and give the 48 his spot and put the 93 to the rear and go green, white, checkers. That to me would be the fair thing to do, but what do I know I'm just an old broken down worn out racer. In my day you wore your helmet for a while when you came in to make sure there wasn't a tire iron coming your way. Things have certainly progressed since then, well a little any way. Bob....

[Todd McCreary]

48 gets spot back as leader spin was no fault of his.

only problem is, this is specifically against the Charlotte County rule book which explicitly states that they won't defend the leader.

you can like it or not, but the book is what it is. if Charlotte doesn't like their own rule ... they should probably issue a new book for the 2009 season.

i don't know whether i should have a problem with the 48 or not. too often i see guys with cars all over their rear bumper who continue to run from the apex in the corner to wall on the straight to the apex in the corner like that faster car wasn't within a mile of them or something.

the problem with this is that now the faster car, which is behind, has nowhere on the track where they can make an 'honest' pass. no matter how much faster they are. so now you're down to a situation where the guy in back either has to bump and run the car in front or just flat out dump him in order to get anywhere. and then the guy in front gets all pissy even though he caused the problem in the first place.

incidents like the previous paragraph are why "no defending the leader" rules get written.

if the 48 was leaving a lane up top on the straights and 93 never even sniffed up there because he's a bottom feeding pansy, then i've got a big problem with the 93.

if the 93 was all over the back of the 48 for several laps and the 48 kept hogging the whole track then i've got a problem with the leader, who isn't showing any respect for a clearly faster car. course, i've also still got a problem with the 93 regardless, who evidently hasn't come to grips with the whole "bump-n-run" concept yet.

remember guys, when the faster car is in back the slow car up front doesn't wind up in the wall ... just as long as the fast car doesn't decide to put him there. i mean, surely you've heard of Teddy Christopher by now? he'll wreck you whether you give him a lane or not. the slow car will have his chance to return the favor when the fast car attempts his pass. respect, respect, respect. it saves sheet metal almost as often as it will save you a finishing position.



As the wreck goes on the 93 has no problem ducking to the bottom.

yes, the 93 is showing plenty of reserve grip over the 48 in the corner. which was why i was asking if the 48 had been 'helped' off of the apex in the first frame. if the 48 had driven himself that far off the apex on his own his corner exit speed is crap and the 93 should have been setting up a late apex so he'd come onto the front stretch under the leader instead of killing his own corner speed running into a rear bumper.

[mizechris]

Todd, let me explain myself more. If ccmp has that rule they have it. I don't like it but it is rule and drivers know it. I don't protect the leader. If he cat and mouses a guy he is just as much to blame. Even if he goes down to apex and out to wall and runs that lap after lap he is running a consistant line lap after lap. Second place has options to pass. Leader does not have to move over. He doesn't have to give a lane either till other car is passing. Then he has to. Comes down to like you said. You can like the rule or not like the. It's the rule and on paper in black and white. You have to play by the track rules. They pay the bills. I don't like it cause I have seen it cause problems. What I will totaly disagree on is that checkered was still thrown when lead car was where he was. Race doesn't end in 4. Ends at start finish line.

[derf]

if one is skilled,one can move someone without spinning/wrecking them.

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Its late but I must respond. The 48 had given the 93 the outside and he couldn't pass there so he choose to move him out of the way. In my judgement Jonny, in the 48 was the clear winner. Early in the race Jonny got under dustin Dunn coming out of 2 and put him around. Jonny went to the back and had come all the way from the back to take the lead. I don't remember exactly but he probably led for at least the last 20 laps. I am glad he won he has had some really bad luck and it was good to see him in the winners circle. I aggree with Todd in that I have seen many cars become 30 ft. wide when a faster car is trying to pass and I think that stinks but as I think Chris said he ain't gotta let him pass if he's driving the same line consistantly then the lanes his. Oh by the way we had a cold night of racing tonight. Not may fans and not many cars but they had fun and thats what counts. see you guys layer. Bob...