FASCAR Rule Book is UP!

[Bigbuck]

I have no problem whatsoever with pdf and adobe, works fine. But then again, I hve strictly Mac computers.

[backdoorbob]

and i think i know of one modified that's been outlawed on wheelbase.

Todd which Modified is it? Do you go around with a tape measure and check all offf them? I didnt know you were a tech inspector.

[Todd McCreary]

i know a guy who knows the guy.

i'm not going to out him because i haven't actually taped his car for myself. also, i doubt that the wheelbase rule in Mods will be enforced any more than the wheelbase rule in Super Stock ( everybody running a metric frame Super Stock? you're illegal. don't even worry about it ).

[Hired Gun]

New Enduro Rules Are A Joke.... Who Writes This Crap..... No 4door Cars There Went Half The Field

[Bigbuck]

thanks for getting the rules out. The pdf and adobe work fine for me, but then again, I use Mac computer.

[OLD STYLE RACER 2]

Boneman, I'm gonna try to make it but money is tight. BUT, the more I keep reading how unbeatable you are, the more I think I might have to make that little jaunt on down and take your crown !!!

[Todd McCreary]

you know, i'm notorious for pointless enthusiasm and irrational positivity. so to all you rules hatin Hatorade drinkers i'd just like to say:

Don't Bring Me Down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTjy_LW8DGM

[Hired Gun]

My 2 Cents

I just thought I would let Mark, Butch, Nerone or who every is involved with printing and making the new rule book, what think about a few things before it is finalized. Now this is just my opinion and everyone can comment accordingly.

Now with the super stocks the first thing I would like to point is that the metric monte carlos are not 112 inch in wheels base as the rules say. As everyone knows the big body monte carlos and chevelles and other full size GM's are getting very hard to find. and the 78-88 montes are still plenty full. so to f.a.s.c.a.r. dont kill the car count in your most fun to watch class.

Then to the 2nd best class to watch Strictly Stock.
This class could use a little help. As for NSS only letting the full framed american made cars run, when OSW will let you run "watcha" brung. Why is that? Now this supposed to be the entry level, cheap to get into racing class. But I have been in nearly EVERY junkyard, scrap yard in this state and rarely will you find a complete monte carlo or olds gutlas that you could build into a Strictly Stock,but the little rice burners and FWD GM's FORD's MOPAR's are absolutely everywhere. I was at NSS one time when some cars from OSW got to run and they did surprisingly well and one of them won. So I think they"fascar" should have more thought in what's available for people to use for stock cars in this class. As for the new rule posted "MUST RUN REAR BRAKE LIGHTS IN BACK WINDOW" ......o.k.? So is this stating that all the old iorn cars like the ones at NSS are going to have to rewire the wires that were removed for a tail light.? What is the reasons for this? Brake checking on starts?, common courtesy for car thats behide you? Are we going to have to put blinkers back in as well, so the other drivers know that we will be turning left in the turn.lol it just seems silly.
As for the Rule of "IF YOU WIN 5 RACES YOU MUST MOVE UP OR MOVE OUT OF THE CLASS" What about the guy where this is all he can afford to race, so if he wins 5 races he cant run anymore? This rule I believe is selfish of the track. Kinda like there saying "dont do to good or we'll throw ya out".

Next is my opinion on the enduro rules, I'm going to be laughing the whole time threw this one

1.a.Car must be 1948? or newer...Damn!!!! I got a 47' lol
b.No 4 door cars. well the fun of running an enduro is the mass amount of cars entered but these rules will kill all of that, The last enduro at crash a rama nearly 50% of the cars were 4 doors. So why keep them in the show.

2.Minimum wheelbase of a 112" ahhhhh....o.k.?
Not only can we not use 4 door cars but we have to find a 2 door that is 112.wow Mercury cougars"1980-1992" 108" Monte carlo "1980-88" 108 same with camaros. Why dont the track just tell us what car they want us to run!
we'll make it into a cheap ass I.R.O.C. like race.lol

3.rule 20. 75 or 78 series tires or taller Not only dose nothing come with those skinny tires but to try and make your 1979 Chevy Caprice 2- door "hahaha 122 inch 2 door car" last 100 laps on them...not likely. In my opinion the rule for tires should be any D.O.T. or at least 70's. Citrus Countys has a 70 series limit, everyone thinks thats o.k.

4.rule 24. " THE WINNING CAR IS SUBJECT TO A $500.00 CLAIM WITH TRACK HAVING FIRST OPTION". Citrus County Speedway has the best enduro thing going, $150.00 entry fee $5,000 guaranteed to win and a $1,500 claim on winning car."if they want it". F.A.S.C.A.R.'s enduros have been paying 1,500-2,000 to win but then some can take you car for $500.00. Not worth it! let do this, say you found a 2 door impala "lolhaha" in a scrap yard and the scrap yard says $500 and she "yers". then you get it gutted and since this car came with 225/70/15 tires "yes! I looked it up....lol" cant use those to low profile. haha. Big 10 Tires has 4 225/75/15 for $65.00 a piece " thats $260.00 for four". mounting is $10buck a tire x4 is $40.A roll cage kit is around $400.00 and paying someone to put it in would be 300-400. then lets say a tune up on that ol' small block 100.00. You can have 1500 bucks in a car quick, and if you win the track threatens to keep your winnings if you dont give up your car. It's bullshit for sure.

4 cylinder enduro

1.ANY 1960-1982 SEDAN....
Whoever is writing this stuff must still think it's 1985.lol
lets see 1960-82? mustangs, nissan 200sx, pinto, Once again go to ALL Auto SALVAGE or any local junk yard and point me out 1 car that will fit this rule.
It should be COMPACT ENDURO!. No year limit. Must be BONE stock, have a wheelbase limit. something like 108" or smaller FWD or RWD 4 0r 6, that how to get a good enduro going.

2.One stock 1 or 2 barrel carburetor....? What's a carburetor? lol

3. rule 12. 300.00 claim on car?!!!! Well Im not going to tell you about this again.




I just hope fascar might do a bit better on this stuff, seems to me as if there need to make a rule book so let's slap it together and go to lunch...lol I'm not pointing fingers, I just pointed out what looked like loop holes or problem areas that if were fixed would better the racing and keep drivers happier.

[Todd McCreary]

As for the Rule of "IF YOU WIN 5 RACES YOU MUST MOVE UP OR MOVE OUT OF THE CLASS" What about the guy where this is all he can afford to race, so if he wins 5 races he cant run anymore?

that "5 wins" rule was taken out of the 2008 rule book and now it's back in the 2009 rules?

me > < FASCAR

and just so you know, the rule being excised in the first place didn't have anything to do with me.

at the end of the 2007 season, Rob Reynolds had 4 wins and was in 1st place in points. Dave Leeper was in 2nd and started pushing the issue of "If Rob wins 5 races, you're going to kick him out of the class, right"? the official FASCAR answer was "We're not going to kick out the points leader".

well if the points leader isn't going to be the first car to 5 wins, just who do you think you're going to be kicking out? ( as luck would have it, i smoked Rob in wins in 2007 but skipped a third of the races )

but it's listed in the "Speedworld Only" paragraph so regardless, i guess it doesn't apply at NSS.



As for NSS only letting the full framed american made cars run

ummm, this "rule" isn't actually in the 2009 book. which means that it's never been in any FASCAR book, because they just made that up this December. and any such rule would also make practically every available Ford and Chrysler product ineligible. although i note that they continue to allow the Fairmont and v6 fuel injected Mustang to run.

the rule book actually specs "Must be V-8 or 6 cylinder, full sized, American made car for the Strictly Stock division". ya know what? a 1975 Monte Carlo is a mid-size car. you've got to be up to at least an Impala before General Motors considered it a "full size" car. i don't think there's been a single car running at either track for the last 3 years that meets this rule.



okay, that's me done on the FASCAR rule book. i had quit reading it because i couldn't take any more. they've already got my proposed re-write of the Strictly Stock section if they ever decide they want to move forward. no further comments in this thread from me.

[AJ14]

You know , thats not a bad idea Todd . Half of the problem with writing rules is that the person ( or persons ) doing said writing are familier with the classes , just not familier with all of the nuances in each class for each car . But the racers in each of those classes know the ins and outs , what works , what doesn't , what makes sense , what doesn't . So heres a suggestion for the NSS/FASCAR/OSW competitors , and the competitors at all tracks in the state . Write your version of the rulebook for the class you're in and submit it to the officials . Not a list of complaints , not a wish list of how racing can be made less expensive , not a rule book written so that your particular car will dominate . No , a real , thought out rule book for your class . Start at the beginning with what cars and engines should be legal . What safety equipment should be mandatory for the class you compete in ? What size tires ? What wheelbase ? What should the inspection process entail for each class you race in . I understand that a lot of these were probably talked about in the meetings that Robert had with the racers , but instead of ideas or inputs . just write the entire , complete rulebook for your class as if you were the one designated to write it . Might be a pretty illumunating read . If the tracks accept your rules , great . If not , at least you've made the effort to show them how it should be done . And i imagine that if an overwhelming number of racers do this at their home track , its gonna be pretty hard for track management to ignore them . If nothing else you'll give the track officials some ideas of what to put into next years rules .

[Mark Keeler]

If anyone remembers the "town hall" meetings held just a couple months ago... it was requested by FASCAR that EVERY competitor look through the existing rules and offer input...

This was brought up and addressed quite clearly at all the meetings that I attended and I am pretty sure at the other meetings as well...

Now, as with everything... Not EVERYONE'S suggestions can ALL be instituted, after all, some changes that one person would like to see, may offset changes that someone else would like to see... Therefore, just because your particular suggestion was not utilized, does not mean that it fell on deaf ears...

EVERY FASCAR competitor was afforded the opportunity to make suggestions and have their opinions heard, I just hope that those that took advantage of that opportunity appreciate that they had the opportunity, and those that didn't, won't just sit back and offer input after the fact.

With the draft of the rules that was uploaded a little over a week ago, there are changes being made to finalize it and re-upload hopefully around the beginning of next week.

On one final note... NOBODY that is involved with assembling/writing the rule book reads the message boards... all of their contact information is listed in the Rule Book and any suggestions should be made directly to them... Please don't think that posting it here will accomplish anything, because, as I've said, they don't read it.

[Hired Gun]

We'll Mark, maybe you can tell who ever is in charge that we said Hi....

[Mark Keeler]

It wasn't supposed to sound rude... I've just posted many, many times before that they don't read this board.

[Bigbuck]

&quot;no-one in tech reads this so comment directly to them&quot;

I tried, I called Butch and was told he was out, which I understand, after all he has a life to live too, but: I was told I would just have to wait till the rules were posted. I noticed in the truck rules it says. $215 PENSKE shocks are allowed as long as They contain the original $215 insides. My question: Will tech actually inspect the "inside" of these shocks??: How often? Also, I heard everyones engine was to be "pumped up", a paper given to the truck owner and if ever a question came up, the engine would be pumped up again and it needs to be what it was the first time it was pumped up.. Ok, sounds good, but is anyone from team A to be allowed to see team B pumped up?? I was told to leave tech area at the last race and I was at LEAST 25 ft. away. What r they trying to hide?? That is how we learn what tech expects of us. I understand not letting someone sit on tech shoulder but 25 ft away??? Well I went about 15 miles away and went home and as of right now I'll wait and see if the track is really half as serious as they say they are about the rules, or will the big money teams rule again as usual. I have no plans to return until they prove themselves.

[Hired Gun]

As Im Sure Everyone Knows, The Rules Have Been Pulled Offline "fascar". Dose Anyone Know Why? And When Will They Be Back Up?