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[JackTripper]

DeMan951, to answer your John Wes Townley question, it's pretty easy to get those rides when your dad owns Zaxby's chicken restaurants.

[Frasson118]

Mr. South 59... My comment was not intended to be pointed solely at Progressive, McGunegill or any engine builder you can name. I was merely pointing out that "approved" rebuilders should be held to a very high standard of legality. If they can't keep themselves from being "bought" to build a non-approved engine, then they shouldn't be on the "approved" list in the first place.

[bubba]

I agree 100% with Frasson on this. Those guys are in essence officials when it comes to the motors, they should only be given a scant few do-overs with engines that have their seal on them (if any). It would put an end to the nonsense.

Drivers/owners will always push it to see what they can get away with. Builders would be less likely to cave in to the $$ if they stood to lose their business over it.

[DeMan951]

I know Jack I just was curious to what naranja thought since Jon Wes has more resources than Jeff and doesn't have the talent Jeff has. Does he have have the same hate for him as he does for Jeff?

[flraceguy]

Frasson I have to admit that I agree with you... if the engine builder openly admits that he approved it and tagged it legal when in reality it wasn't, then take him off the damn approved list... take his business away and he will rethink "fixing" someones engine....

please keep in mind that I am stating that in a business sense of mind... One customer should not destroy the rest of your business...

[Todd McCreary]

One customer should not destroy the rest of your business

only it wouldn't be the "customer" destroying the engine builders business.

did you put that clause in there to demonstrate that the builder should have turned away that particular customer dollar in the first place or to say that building one "bad" motor shouldn't get a builder de-certified? it's not really clear to me which way you mean it.

[Osmosis Jones]

Overly adhesive......

A long time ago I pondered what the criteria were for a post to be considered

"sticky"


After 1659 views and 35 posts later......I still have to wonder......

I guess it's like a tootsie roll and the futile search for how many licks it takes to get to the chewy center.......
........it just all depends on who is holding the tootsie pop.


Eu Jai

[rick knecht]

okay i've read enough.all you guys know he's a wheel man and has won alot of races.so to say that .15 of an inch makes him and progressive the all time cheaters.wow!I was the crew cheif for jeff last year,so all I can say is he was legal last year,a.s.a.yanked the moter said it was good it was a mcgunegill.that motor made more prower than the one thats illegal on progessives dyno! my new a.s.a. moter is from progessive and has progessive seals on it.jeffs was a rebuild ,not new,so I'd say decking a used moter is no good!!but can tell ya that every car running up front is pushing it on these motors.he's still got the championships and victorys to prove he didnt need to push it to win.SO all you saints keep writing and i'll keep reading!!one d.q.out of 50 aint doin to bad in this sport. jason hogan said jeff didnt have motor,he was better in the center just a tick he ran second to him all night,so I think he would know.just the facts'like him or not.

[Todd McCreary]

so to say that .15 of an inch

hope you're missing a 0 there Rick.

[Osmosis Jones]

Missing zeroes......

.....and the point.

I want to thank Crew Chief Knecht for coming on here and setting us all straight about the legality of all the frontrunners in the ASA "Crate" motor series.

They're all cheaters.

Of course, I'm sure they would want to dispute this claim of Rick's also, as usually you aren't "technically" cheating unless you are actually caught.....like, uh, the 70 car was at Hickory.

But hey, if you say so, man, I'm with you.

Just for the sake of argument though, tell me this: If we're all agreed that Jeff is such a good wheel man...and that all these championships and victories PROVE he doesn't need to "push it" to win.....why does he need a reworked crate from either of the builders you mentioned, both of whom have been busted for cheating them up, to win races? I only ask because that's always the first line of defense for the guilty teams.
"It didn't make a difference anyhow" "We're so good we don't need an advantage" "We didn't know it was like that"
It gets old to keep hearing that crap while the "facts" (as people keep thinking they have) still point out that they were cheating and got caught.

In reading your last line about Hogan and his thoughts on why he couldn't make the pass, this is what I got:
"Runner-up Hogan admits he needs to cheat more than he already does to beat the cheated up car that finished in front of him."
Sorry....you can replace "cheat" with "push it" wherever you want but I think I made that point earlier with the "kinda pregnant" metaphor......

Again, thanks for letting us know Jeff and everyone else, oops, I mean the frontrunners, was and are indeed running cheated up motors from multiple builders. I think we already had that suspicion but your first hand experience helps to make the argument and set our minds at ease.
Keep on reading and don't be so shy about posting what you think about things. And good luck in tech with your new GM crate motor....er...I mean your "new" Progressive sealed motor that is supposed to be just like a crate.
Wow, I almost called you an also ran there. Sorry 'bout that.


Saint OJ

[AJ14]

Its been said many times before , but can't be repeated enough . A crate motor series should first of all rule on what a crate motor is . Stupid name really , any type of engine from any source is usually shipped in a crate . The name was meant to infer that the engines used would be fresh from the manufacturer , in this case GM , and then bolted into the cars and raced . If they meant to also include " blue printed engines " then the rules should have said so and we could drop the crate name , because a blue printed engine really doesn't fit the concept of crate motor as it was intended . .
Engine builders should be dropped from the approved list when ever one of their engines is found to be illegal . Because either they were attempting to cheat , or they do sloppy work . Either way , they should be removed from the list . Any part or clearance in an engine that violates the rules comes down squarely on the head of the engine shop that worked on it . No matter what their motivation , the engine shop cheated up the motor .
I've watched Jeff race many times , and i have to say that even if he has the best equipment , and i'm sure he does , he can get it done behind the wheel .

[rick knecht]

you guys are good!maybeyou can get a tech man job,so all us fr0nt runners can slow down enuogh for all the LEGAL guys who would never cheat in any way can keep up!!hogan beat jeff at kenly this past weekend they pulled his mcgunnegill and said,it was LEGAL!!!can you belive it?jason is as good as they get any were we race so now I know why hes better,but what if he had that .015 of an inch?so I geuss o.j.is right all teams winning are just cheaters.so let the tare down party begin!!were leading the rookie points buy a little sittin thrid in the points,two races to go against'the best RACERS ina.s.a.[or that other word]so let the best tech man win!come and watch at c.c.m.p.next week,maybecolt james or jimmy will get tore down or maybe some body else can win[in the tech line]that sounds exciting for the fans.see ya jn tech.[I hope]

[Boneman]

Todd McCreary, would you please explain the shift key and space bar to Mr. Knecht?

[Benny The Mule]

I was at the race in Hickory and though Jeff won it he wasn't a runaway.

As the second place finisher (now winner) stated Jeff was faster through the corners on longer runs.

I was in turn 4 and it was easily noticable Jeff got back to the throttle quicker.

I can't complain about stepping over the grey areas.........i've done it myself and will again probably if i make my way back into the sport.

As i stated earlier in this thread (building) crate engines started when GM couldn't keep up with rebuilds and tech and so series went to (approved) engine builders who could (blueprint) new engines and (rebuild) worn engines along with teching them.

So it will be what it is now because the engines don't go back to GM for work.

my last statement is purely hearsay (assumtion) but from guys closely invoved and well recognised as engine specialists who say that last year they (tuned) a 604 crate engine in a dirt latemodel and chassis dyno'd at well over 500 hp at the rear wheels...that's some serious tuning right there, and their driver still today is one of the hardest to beat all over the US, and hasn't been called wrong in the last 2 seasons.

I'm to the point now if i can get to see a good field of cars that will race and not follow each other...i could care less what is under the hood.

[JackTripper]

Jason Boyd, I hope you aren't reading this thread...