SLM DQ's at NSS

[DJF88]

Oberg

I just have a question?? What do you have to do to get them to work right I put them on both my cars last year and the cars instantly had engine troubles it took me 5 races to realize it was the oberg the spring was either too strong in the oberg or the fuel pump wasn't strong enough to open the valve. And it wasn't allowing fuel to be culled to the fuel pump and refil the bowls. I could run about 5 laps then the car would stall bacause it was starving for fuel. That is why I took them off or took the spring out it wasn't for any advantage it was just so my car would run. And i agree safety is first and most important and rules are rules, I would just like to know what to do so my car will run with it on (and yes I got a new and stronger fuel pump and it still wasn't strong enough? I would appriceate the info so I can be safe and legal

[50racer]

We tried the Oberg and it leaned out the motor, took the valve apart and found that the spring is way to strong for the job it is designed for. Found a spring with less pressure and put a Pro Cam pump on the car and it works fine, and still shuts the fuel off when the engine stops. Great idea just needs more engineering from Oberg.

[Don Nerone]

I have posted this many times but ill do it agin

The Teq mans job is not to find cars wrong after the race but to get them right before the race.
Ricky Brooks likes to see his name in print at the cost of the racer.
He looks good to the avg racer at the cost of the others.
We don't make list of all the things we found and had racers fix before the race.
Look at the car counts and tell me witch is the right way..

don62

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oberg part 2

I agree with Don, this item should be checked before the race, not after.

In my earlier post I mentioned that 2 engine builders that I contacted said there was no fuel pressure issue with the Oberg, tested on dynos. Burton's car ran fine with it on his fuel line?

Seems to me the Oberg gets a bad wrap, for any problem in the fuel system or the carb? Engine is missing, carb guys says its the Oberg, engine guy says it the Oberg.

It would of been interesting to line every car up after the race and take them apart one by one! Again, have the cars come up for tech and figure out a way to make it a pre-tech item, at least for the safety of all the racers.

[Don Nerone]

I agree with Don, this item should be checked before the race, not after.

In my earlier post I mentioned that 2 engine builders that I contacted said there was no fuel pressure issue with the Oberg, tested on dynos. Burton's car ran fine with it on his fuel line?

Seems to me the Oberg gets a bad wrap, for any problem in the fuel system or the carb? Engine is missing, carb guys says its the Oberg, engine guy says it the Oberg.

It would of been interesting to line every car up after the race and take them apart one by one! Again, have the cars come up for tech and figure out a way to make it a pre-tech item, at least for the safety of all the racers.

They weren't mandatory in my day. We had a hand valve back then. Some of the teams did use the 1 way valve and some of them hade a problem with them. The one that comes to mind was BJ the valve saved his life and also cost him a lot of engine trouble latter so??.
The worst set of rules are good if everyone goes buy them. now if we could get all the officals to read them the same way with the good of the sport in mind we could go someware



don62

[shorttrackcar1]

No ! Don is wrong they knew they weren't suppose to gut those oberg safety valves out . Rickey should not have to check before the race .what if he did then they went back to there pit and changed it . They got what they deserved . It was there fault It wasn't like they were soaking tires Or what ever .this had to do with safety and there is no excuse . Check before the race really ????

[OldSchool+]

Since it is not a performance advantage, am hoping "50Rracer" shares the correct spring trick with at least the Tech folks, if not here on KARNAC.

Meanwhile, Oberg has been around a while. You would have thought they would have tested the thing.

[Don Nerone]

No ! Don is wrong they knew they weren't suppose to gut those oberg safety valves out . Rickey should not have to check before the race .what if he did then they went back to there pit and changed it . They got what they deserved . It was there fault It wasn't like they were soaking tires Or what ever .this had to do with safety and there is no excuse . Check before the race really ????

So do you think that safety should be checked after the race. You got to be kidding right.
Checking it after the race and dqing them.
If it was so important would you want the driver safe. After the race is a mute point.
Does any one get it or am I that stupid. Don't fix the gate after the horse is gone...I don't think you can be that whatever.....

[Osmosis Jones]

A deaf guy and dumb guy walk into a bar......

Moot point, Uncle Don......it's a moot point. Not mute.

Asking people (well, racing people anyways) if you're stupid....in the same paragraph as spelling/misusing the word "mute" wrong is.....Karnacian Suicide.




"I don't always post a lot.......but when I do it's always sardonically funny."
Stay thirsty my friends.

[shorttrackcar1]

ok don so now we need to tech before the race then after the race . the tech guy shouldn't have to baby sit anybody before the race to make sure someone doesn't get there win taken away after the race. what should happen since someone decide to gut out a safety valve and possibly in danger lives . not only should they be DQed also a 500.00 fine should in place on them . isn't this a nascar track?

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before the race

ok don so now we need to tech before the race then after the race . the tech guy shouldn't have to baby sit anybody before the race to make sure someone doesn't get there win taken away after the race. what should happen since someone decide to gut out a safety valve and possibly in danger lives . not only should they be DQed also a 500.00 fine should in place on them . isn't this a nascar track?

You check these before the race, and seal them with paint, or some kind of seal!! Checking a safety item after a race is counter productive. If either of those two cars would have burnt to the ground, or burnt and hurt innocent people, what point would of that made?? Right or wrong, there are a lot of racers that will skimp on safety, form old helmets and old seat belts, to also building light weight un safe cars. It is the tracks responsibility to make sure all cars are within the safety rules before entering the track.

Can you toss a guy for expired belts or helmet after the race? Taking the Oberg apart is wrong, no doubt! But is something that needs to be right before the car goes on the track, like seatbelts and helmets.

If you were to get lawyers and insurance companies involved in this, they would have a field day.

If racers are having a problem with this device, it needs to be brought to Ricky's attention, and have some testing done on fuel pressure drop, if there is any? Racers cant be burning engines up, or burning cars to the ground, there has to be a happy medium.

[50racer]

Since it is not a performance advantage, am hoping "50Rracer" shares the correct spring trick with at least the Tech folks, if not here on KARNAC.

Meanwhile, Oberg has been around a while. You would have thought they would have tested the thing.

The problem is that their is variables to the suction of different pumps and the age of these pump, they do lose performance. The next thing you start to lean the motor out do to these variations. The spring that comes with the Oberg is OK when everything is new or you have a pump like the ProCam pump.

They may have not taken these conditions into consideration when they picked there spring tension. I will take ours apart and try to determine the part number, we found our spring at Ace Hardware. We did try to use the spring supplied by shortening it but that did not work.

These valves are hard to take apart.

[kendo]

the tech guy shouldn't have to baby sit

Agree...And with the DQ's you have insured that the cars will be right before the next race.

[OldSchool+]

50racer--Thank you very much for that information, it should head folks in the right direction.

With this new understanding of the issue, perhaps tech could determine what the minimum spring pressure should be to keep the device functioning as it should.

Leaned out high dollar motors at NSS are a bad investment...

[Racefan99]

What were the top 2 finishers in the OWM feature dq'd for last night?