Tech Men

[OWM94]

I think the ride height rule should be thrown out for late models, modifieds, sportsmans and trucks. By the time you load the sway bar and the rebound in the shocks start working it's not like the car is at 4" on the track anyways. They've done away with ride height rules in the Latemodels everywhere else in the country, why not here.

[Don Nerone]

no rules race

so how many cars would show up for a no rules race....2 or 3 in the state.
Rules are the biggest reason for good and poor car counts. It not the purse.
Only one winner and he is the one that will show for the no rules race. How about all the rest?
what a racer wants is a fair shake. Sure some will scream about tough teq but the few don't speak for the many.
Many of the racers don't like me because they didn't make it in the the teq barn or got the black flag . Having to go to the rear of the field was in the rules but they cried more on that one the most.
Rules are the most important car getting and keeping thing a track can do.
DONT LET THE FEW INFLUNCE THE MANY
There never were bad rules if every one went buy them..

don62

[openwm53]

Gene

the car does not go around the track with someone pulling up on it.

Lol .......Agreed. Yet it is how it was..........

[openwm53]

Don

so how many cars would show up for a no rules race....2 or 3 in the state.
Rules are the biggest reason for good and poor car counts. It not the purse.
Only one winner and he is the one that will show for the no rules race. How about all the rest?
what a racer wants is a fair shake. Sure some will scream about tough teq but the few don't speak for the many.
Many of the racers don't like me because they didn't make it in the the teq barn or got the black flag . Having to go to the rear of the field was in the rules but they cried more on that one the most.
Rules are the most important car getting and keeping thing a track can do.
DONT LET THE FEW INFLUNCE THE MANY
There never were bad rules if every one went buy them..

don62

Agreed mostly......................But lets answer the original question of this post. Would racers or car owners pay a 5 dollar cost to insure the tech man was being paid properly and having the right tools and motivating him or her to get their hands dirty ? What did you pay your tech man on Saturday night Don ? Im just curious...........Like any business you will pay for quality ?

[elmer]

Agreed mostly......................But lets answer the original question of this post. Would racers or car owners pay a 5 dollar cost to insure the tech man was being paid properly and having the right tools and motivating him or her to get their hands dirty ? What did you pay your tech man on Saturday night Don ? Im just curious...........Like any business you will pay for quality ?

Doug,
I know for sure that 20 years ago the tech man's pay was $100 & 2 passes per night. I'm sure it's not much more today. It's a thankless job like any main officiating jobs in all sports. These people definitely do it for the love of it and not the money. Look at it as per hour pay. You show up at 11:00 or noon on a race day and not get out of there till midnight 1:00 A.M. Your talking about a 12-14 hour day it averages to $7.25 per hour. I did an officiating job back then, I would never do it again. And oh by the way pretty much every race night you have at least 1 or more people that want to kick your a$$ because you had to disqualify them.

[Pun33]

Is local racing, a hobby for fun
What are you looking for a high paid tech that takes your car apart every week.

Then everyone complains about paying the engine guy, tranny guy, chassis guy and whoever else they need to put it all back together. They don't have that money, they quit or race less due to the tech guy,,,,,,,

Cut the whining and go race.

it takes more than a cheated motor to win. You need to set up the car, you need to drive it

Just race and have fun

OMG how everyone wants to run the track/tech and payout the way they think it should be

There are claimer and protest rules if you really think everyone is cheating

[Don Nerone]

pay

Agreed mostly......................But lets answer the original question of this post. Would racers or car owners pay a 5 dollar cost to insure the tech man was being paid properly and having the right tools and motivating him or her to get their hands dirty ? What did you pay your tech man on Saturday night Don ? Im just curious...........Like any business you will pay for quality ?

Some of them did it to be part of the sport and to learn. The average was $100 a night and the hifg was $500 a night with room and board.
There are a lot of people who can check a engine but very few that have a clue what the job is about.
In 1990 we held a school that was free to get all the teq guys on the same page. No one showed up.. Get it yet. Most of them don't want to do the job just stroke there own ego.
The job is o get all the cars right not to try to find them wrong. That is a lot of work but in the end you will build a lasting program..


don62

[openwm53]

Pun

Is local racing, a hobby for fun
What are you looking for a high paid tech that takes your car apart every week.

Then everyone complains about paying the engine guy, tranny guy, chassis guy and whoever else they need to put it all back together. They don't have that money, they quit or race less due to the tech guy,,,,,,,

Cut the whining and go race.

it takes more than a cheated motor to win. You need to set up the car, you need to drive it

Just race and have fun



OMG how everyone wants to run the track/tech and payout the way they think it should be

There are claimer and protest rules if you really think everyone is cheating

Your just wrong.........

[openwm53]

I was just thinking

About this thread. And it seems to me that when most people think about tech they think about engines. In the Mod class there are few engine rules. Its 7lbs per cubic inch and no aluminum blocks. 50 lbs for aluminum heads and thats about it. This will be my last post on this subject but heres a few thinkgs in the mod class that can have a significant advantage.

1. Ride heights
2. Crank height
3. Engine off set
4. Rear end to motor measurement 78"
5. Cambered rear axle tubes
6. Adjustable pan hard bars......from the cock pit
7. Traction Control or special ignition boxes that can be set with a lap top.with slew rates and launch control
8. Track width
9. Aluminum brake calipers with more than one piston


Theres much more but im done thinking. I know that it doesnt matter whats said on here but hey who knows. Cars almost done.

[OldSchool+]

**Post of The Week**

"You're just wrong..."--DM

Congratulations on getting your mod back together!

[OldSchool+]

How about a mandated right front spring of, y'know, reasonable poundage to hold the car up and go around corners on and so forth?

[Don Nerone]

Checking those things and doing super lates is childs play .
there just math in inches.
If you have the tools and know how to use them.
How many teq men in florida knows how to use a p=g tube or a whistler.
All of the people that worked for me did. We held class every race and the flagman and the announcer could use those tools.
its not rocket science.

would be glad to teach anyone but no one wants to learn.
Don H and I made a set of tools to check crate engines and when we left they went in the garbage can.
Most promoters think that teq will lower there car count and for a short time it will.
paying extra for teq has been done before.


don662

[Groundpounder]

Your just wrong.........

I agree with this guy that you said was wrong...but beyond that,
What's funny is you saying that he's wrong..."your just wrong."
"YOU'RE" just wrong would be correct! You were just wrong.