sportsman NSS

[OldSchool+]

My $0.02.

Week in and week out Patrick goes to great lengths to make sure that car is legal.

On Thursday night changes were made to make sure there was a margin of safety on the scales.

Patrick also helps more than one of his competitors go faster.

Jim Harris (Harris Oil, Mount Dora) is a stand up guy that invests significant money into the sport that would be easier spent elsewhere.

Of all the problems of local short track racing (see "future of modified racing" thread), the #111 Team is an asset, not an issue.

Next topic?

[souk45]

Front running crate cars spend way more than most built motor cars in the class. If they went to crate only cars those of us on a budget would have major disadvantages. Most front running crates spend spend way too much on carb way to much on dyno time lightest legal driveshaft, clutch, and rear endparts/axels and then you have those racers who take brand new crate motors to motor shops and completely rebuild them changing piston rings camshaft a and whatever else. The idea of a crate would be great but every so many wins a motor swap program should be adopted.

[Phil Jacques]

My $0.02.

Week in and week out Patrick goes to great lengths to make sure that car is legal.

On Thursday night changes were made to make sure there was a margin of safety on the scales.

Patrick also helps more than one of his competitors go faster.

Jim Harris (Harris Oil, Mount Dora) is a stand up guy that invests significant money into the sport that would be easier spent elsewhere.

Of all the problems of local short track racing (see "future of modified racing" thread), the #111 Team is an asset, not an issue.

Next topic?

Patrick will absolutely without hesitation tell you exactly what is in his car, after he kicks your ass with it. He constantly preaches being legal to me any time we chat and I would never once second guess anything he says. Shit happens sometimes. I couldn't look at a cyl head and tell you the difference between an altered one either as I am sure many couldn't. I find it funny that he gets nailed once with a motor that isn't even his own and everyone jumps at the chance to label him a cheater. Funny stuff! Happy Tuesday!

[OldSchool+]

Guess it is not time to move on yet...

"Front running crate cars spend way more than most built motor cars in the class."--souk

Look, to compare apples to apples you have to look at the engine separate from the car.

A crate is less than $4k, and you simply cannot build a motor--even a bad one--for that amount.

If there is more work/money in the rest of the car, that is another argument.

And I can tell you in the case of the #111, it is more work than money.

[OldSchool+]

The Rules, Boss, The Rules

I think they should come up with max valve size, max lift and duration, max compression and displacement, and maybe a few other details and let them do whatever they want.

Logically, those specs would be lifted from a crate. Then if a low dollar guy can build one for less from junkyard pieces, more power to him, and there would be no incentive to invest more than what it takes to purchase a new crate motor.

Regardless, Patrick is a well deserving National Champion, and he did it with a tired crate.

[Phil Jacques]

OS, everyone wants to find a reason to knock someone down. I watch it up here constantly with Keith Rocco... Any good racer will push the limits now and again and cross that line. It happens. Trying to find that edge is what makes us racers.

[openwm53]

Any Other

D-Ques over the weekend ?

[OldSchool+]

Phil, I get that, I respect that, frankly I don't even have a problem with that.

But in this case, I can guaran-damn-tee you that there was surprise in the #111 pits when it was determined that work had been done to those heads a decade or so ago.

ps--let us not forget the steering wheel. Patrick can flat wheel a car. Thankfully an advantage in the seat is legal.

[UREZ2PASS]

What I can't believe is -

Old School didn't get his 2 cents in until the 16th post. LOL !

[OldSchool+]

EZ,

--I knew you could take the suspense.

[justinr20]

Patrick

Patrick don't worry about what people say. I know you wouldn't have cheated on purpose that's not how you or I roll. My motor and car got tore apart a ton last year and people still think I was cheating even when I proved it. Mike I'm sorry but I know people with built motors that spent 8000 plus on them. This class has changed a lot over the past few years and I think crate motors and even buying all lightweight parts is still cheaper in the long run. Everyone thinks you have to cheat crate motors up to win and you don't it's been proven. Oh and Patrick tell Danny hi for me and he looked like he was doing pretty good times in your car.

[pkirky33]

First, Patrick is a good racer, but all good racers also push (or cheat) the rules. If you don't get caught, it's not cheating. I would bet money the heads wouldn't be the only thing they would of found if they kept looking. FYI, if your going to cheat in the motor, you don't just do one thing. Why not have a light bottom end. When was the last time you saw them weigh a crank? Pat says they checked his all year, but no offense to Jeff, how many times did Ricky look? There is to many good cars that he caught and passed easily (Bass), red flag. Not busting on Patrick or Donnie W, we/they all push envelope.

[shorttrackcar1]

OMG! this is so easy crate motor only! no built motors . no rebuilding crate engines, seals must be intact on motor. no changing the oil pans. all must run same carburetor and spacer. if caught with crate motor that has been tamper with you are DQED for that race and any race you won before that. and winnings are paid back or driver is suspended the rest of the season and points taken away. if they have tough penalty's and enforced them they would have a great class . nothing is done to punish the rule breakers.

[OldSchool+]

How about a battery charger connected to his anatomy while we are at it?

Patrick has explained the situation. The motor was "new" to him, and how a "built motor" ran was also new. He got out-motored frequently by built motors last year, it was logical to think they make a little more power. Ironically, it was an "honest" mistake.

Incidentally, I believe the #7 modified won a Modified race. Congratulations to Dick and Josh, no strings attached here.

[shorttrackcar1]

old school I am not picking on Patrick he is a great driver I will still root for him to win out of the sportsman class. I am just saying there should have been strict rules from the get go . I believe it will make a strong class and a class with a lot of cars .