NASCAR lunacy and the flag

[OldSchool+]

A "Glittering Generality"--A statement that sounds wonderful but says nothing, such as "It's for the children".

A "Straw Man Argument"--A statement that features some mysterious "bad guy" that is out to do terrible things. "They" don't want you to get ahead in life. Get "them".

Both are used effectively without using fact one. Be aware of them, and how they are intended to play on your emotions to promote a specific agenda that has nothing to do with what is being discussed at the moment.

Regardless, it is what it is. I have supported all of NASCAR's changes previously while others have complained, but this is simply--as has been stated--an affront on their most faithful of fans right to express themselves. Worse yet, it assumes terrible things about those fans. I have never owned or displayed a confederate flag in my life, but I am nonetheless offended by NASCAR's decision.

I will watch the racing, at least for now, but NASCAR has lost respect in my book.

[chassisdude]

I went to public schools, blacks and whites, joined the U S Army, served 3 years again black and white, never had a problem, had some friends of a different color but now the more they get the more they want. Matt and racing96 you have to open your eyes, look around you, like was said before we can work hard so we can pay for the worthless ones sitting at home or laying at home making more babys, collecting all the different free money from the goverment and then have them tell me what flag I can buy or fly, that is bull shit. Really please some one tell me what the hell just happened, do we have any rights, or is it just what ever the black guy wants, we give it to them

[elmer]

Well the news get better.

NASCAR cancels Camping Worlds annual banquet at Trumps Miami Resort because of his comments regarding Mexicans immigrants.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/sto...d-trump-resort

[jacko241]

It just keeps getting crazier. I was just looking at available tickets for the 400, and even though it is just one day out, there are still lots of seats available. Bear in mind there are only about 50,000 seats total right now.

[exnyer]

I went to public schools, blacks and whites, joined the U S Army, served 3 years again black and white, never had a problem, had some friends of a different color but now the more they get the more they want. Matt and racing96 you have to open your eyes, look around you, like was said before we can work hard so we can pay for the worthless ones sitting at home or laying at home making more babys, collecting all the different free money from the goverment and then have them tell me what flag I can buy or fly, that is bull shit. Really please some one tell me what the hell just happened, do we have any rights, or is it just what ever the black guy wants, we give it to them

I totally agree!

What I find funny is why do people try to argue and change your mind to look at a situation from a different view... leave it alone. That's their opinion if people do not like it ignore it and walk away. People today need to learn to mind their own business and live their own lives.

[Matt Albee]

I went to public schools, blacks and whites, joined the U S Army, served 3 years again black and white, never had a problem, had some friends of a different color but now the more they get the more they want. Matt and racing96 you have to open your eyes, look around you, like was said before we can work hard so we can pay for the worthless ones sitting at home or laying at home making more babys, collecting all the different free money from the goverment and then have them tell me what flag I can buy or fly, that is bull shit. Really please some one tell me what the hell just happened, do we have any rights, or is it just what ever the black guy wants, we give it to them

You hit the nail right on the head there chassisdude. Everyone working hard to pay for the worthless ones sitting at one of their several vacation homes, laying around by the pool at the country club, or out in their yachts, while not paying one single penny in taxes. Yet they continue to have kids that also won't pay one penny in taxes. But like their parents, they'll still demand to use all of the infrastructure the rest of us have to pay for through our taxes.
When is America going to wake up and stop the insanity???

[Matt Albee]

A "Glittering Generality"--A statement that sounds wonderful but says nothing, such as "It's for the children".

A "Straw Man Argument"--A statement that features some mysterious "bad guy" that is out to do terrible things. "They" don't want you to get ahead in life. Get "them".

Both are used effectively without using fact one. Be aware of them, and how they are intended to play on your emotions to promote a specific agenda that has nothing to do with what is being discussed at the moment.

Regardless, it is what it is. I have supported all of NASCAR's changes previously while others have complained, but this is simply--as has been stated--an affront on their most faithful of fans right to express themselves. Worse yet, it assumes terrible things about those fans. I have never owned or displayed a confederate flag in my life, but I am nonetheless offended by NASCAR's decision.

I will watch the racing, at least for now, but NASCAR has lost respect in my book.

The very last person on earth that still had respect for nascar is calling it a day. That should get their attention.

[Matt Albee]

It's interesting how quickly this turned into a racial discussion. More important, how quickly it brought the racists out.
The confederate flag is a meaningless symbol of half of the country trying to kill the other half during the civil war. That's probably not something worth celebrating. The fact that the Gov. of South Carolina ( along with the Govs. of every other southern state ) decided it needed to come down just shows how little intrinsic value it really has. It also serves as a reminder that owning slaves was considered okay at one point in our history. It hasn't been considered okay for a long, long, time.
The rich white southern politicians think it's it's time the flag goes away, and the more enlightened members of society agree. As for the rest of you.......no hope, just no hope.

[exnyer]

It's interesting how quickly this turned into a racial discussion. More important, how quickly it brought the racists out.
The confederate flag is a meaningless symbol of half of the country trying to kill the other half during the civil war. That's probably not something worth celebrating. The fact that the Gov. of South Carolina ( along with the Govs. of every other southern state ) decided it needed to come down just shows how little intrinsic value it really has. It also serves as a reminder that owning slaves was considered okay at one point in our history. It hasn't been considered okay for a long, long, time.
The rich white southern politicians think it's it's time the flag goes away, and the more enlightened members of society agree. As for the rest of you.......no hope, just no hope.

No, this is more than just a flag anymore, this is about peoples freedoms being taken away by others, aside from what you think the flag means, people still have a right to fly it. When you lay down and just let them take it then you have started a new trend of giving up the rest of your freedoms, remember it always starts small.

In my opinion, if you do not stand up for what you believe in and just follow the crowd because everyone else is doing it, well then there is no hope for you.

[Matt Albee]

No, this is more than just a flag anymore, this is about peoples freedoms being taken away by others, aside from what you think the flag means, people still have a right to fly it. When you lay down and just let them take it then you have started a new trend of giving up the rest of your freedoms, remember it always starts small.

In my opinion, if you do not stand up for what you believe in and just follow the crowd because everyone else is doing it, well then there is no hope for you.

And yet if your next door neighbor decided to fly an ISIS flag because he deeply believed in their cause, you and your buddies would be tearing it down and burning it. You can have your freedoms, but the neighbor isn't entitled to his because....well because they don't fit into your beliefs.
Neither you or anyone you've ever known have lost any freedoms that were meaningful. Ever! Nor are you likely to.

[kendo]

Everyone working hard to pay for the worthless ones sitting at one of their several vacation homes, laying around by the pool at the country club, or out in their yachts, while not paying one single penny in taxes. Yet they continue to have kids that also won't pay one penny in taxes. But like their parents, they'll still demand to use all of the infrastructure the rest of us have to pay for through our taxes.
When is America going to wake up and stop the insanity???

Nice try...Another useless typical liberal talking point...Although they may not draw a weekly salary and pay income tax on that,they pay capital gains taxes.Did you ever get a job from a poor person?

[exnyer]

And yet if your next door neighbor decided to fly an ISIS flag because he deeply believed in their cause, you and your buddies would be tearing it down and burning it. You can have your freedoms, but the neighbor isn't entitled to his because....well because they don't fit into your beliefs.
Neither you or anyone you've ever known have lost any freedoms that were meaningful. Ever! Nor are you likely to.

Do you really believe that crap that you just typed.... seriously?

If someone was flying an isis flag the government would know about it, let's see, we have the NSA spying on Americans, both phone call logs and e-mails, we have mandatory purchased healthcare or pay a mandatory fine at tax time, take an airline flight and get felt up almost to an orgasm, we have illegal immigrants that are being issued driver licenses and they are running over the border like it is a trip to 7-11, we have Veterans that fought for this Country and they are being left with no medical or psych care.

You really must be a liberal and a Obama supporter.

[kendo]

The rich white southern politicians think it's it's time the flag goes away, and the more enlightened members of society agree. As for the rest of you.......no hope, just no hope.

Do you mean those enlightened northeastern liberal elites who are generally all prejudiced and bigoted against ALL southerners ? As always you are wrong again,,,2/3 of the country today believe that a Confederate flag flown today simply represents regional pride,not hate or racism....And that was a from a liberal MSN pole.

MATT must be a confederataphobe...

[Matt Albee]

Nice try...Another useless typical liberal talking point...Although they may not draw a weekly salary and pay income tax on that,they pay capital gains taxes.Did you ever get a job from a poor person?

The stupid ones maybe, the rest have accountants that offer endless schemes to avoid all or most of the capital gains.

[Matt Albee]

Do you really believe that crap that you just typed.... seriously?

If someone was flying an isis flag the government would know about it, let's see, we have the NSA spying on Americans, both phone call logs and e-mails, we have mandatory purchased healthcare or pay a mandatory fine at tax time, take an airline flight and get felt up almost to an orgasm, we have illegal immigrants that are being issued driver licenses and they are running over the border like it is a trip to 7-11, we have Veterans that fought for this Country and they are being left with no medical or psych care.

You really must be a liberal and a Obama supporter.

I assume you're sputtering about supposed freedoms you've lost. All you've listed is some annoyances.
While Veterans are most certainly not getting what they deserve, nor have they ever, that's also not losing a freedom, they're being screwed by their elected officials in Congress not appropriating funds.