Schedule for Sunoco 100 @ Auburndale

[Matt Albee]

Patrick, i have a cure for your paranoia over fuel cheaters. I just got an e-mail that details gasoline inspections for drag racing. The drag racers are allowed to use a number of different brands, and the companies give the specs to the association. A simple check is done, and if the brand of gas you claim you have, meets the supplied spec, you're good to go.
So you're going to have to come up with a better excuse than that.

[Matt Albee]

Matt, I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. It might help me understand why you ask this question. The way I see it, it really doesn't matter unless it's the last race you ever plan on racing.

Is this a deciding factor for you to decide whether or not you bring your super to the race?

Do you get a better deal on tires and fuel elsewhere? And does that include shipping charges or traveling expenses to get it?

How many sets of tires do you normally buy for a 100 lapper weekend for your super and how many gallons of fuel do you normally burn for the weekend? And how much money do you save by not buying tires and fuel at the track?

When you run your super do you feel better that everybody is buying tires out of the same shed on the same day? Or do you like it better seeing other teams next to you pulling tires out of the trailer that are wrapped in Saran Wrap coming off of the rotisserie?

Do you feel good when you know everybody is buying fuel out of the same container? Or do you like it better when you're sitting on the grid waiting to go out in your super and the guy in front of you exhaust fumes are burning your eyes out and you are not sure if you were getting cancer from the added chemicals in his fuel you are breathing?

If you could tell me the distributor where you get your super tires cheaper then you get them at the race track that would be very helpful. And also if you could tell me where to buy fuel. The last time I bought it it was $11.60 a gallon at Palm Beach international Raceway which is the closest place to my house to get it. And I think it cost about the same money at the Sunoco racing fuel distributor down here in Southeast Florida. Race fuel is cheaper at the race track I think.

If you could tell me where to get the stuff cheaper I'd really love to save a dime.

And probably the most important question of all. Do you have a super late model?


Thanks

Yes, it would be a deciding factor. Even if money weren't the issue. I don't like getting screwed.
Getting a better deal is fairly easy. Scott told you exactly how he does it.
From the example you posted ( along with the pricing i got today ) i'd say you could save $20 on a mandatory 10 gallon purchase. Far more if you use over 55 gallons in a weekend. And probably $20 per tire or more. Actually, you'd likely save hundreds because you didn't need tires. If i had 2 or 3 sets of good takeoffs, that's all i'd need.
I'm not paranoid, so i'll have to take your word for the dark, intense feeling you have that everybody is out to get you at the tire shed.
You are getting cancer on the grid by breathing the fumes. Racing gas has lead in it. I'm surprised you didn't know that.


Apparently everyone gets a better deal than you do. I called a couple of speedshops to check on the pricing you posted. A drum of 110 gas would cost you $599.50 plus shipping???? Damn, whoever you buy from at that price sure must hate you. Or......you're making it up.
Where can you get 110 gas cheaper? Around here, call Steeles for one. Bill Lee Race Cars for another.

[Matt Albee]

Sorry, i forgot to answer " probably the most important question of all". No.

[scott bertram]

speaking of "cant fix stupid"....... I bought sticker tires (2 months old) at $400 vrs the $600+ at the track. got them mounted free too. After figuring out what I paid for fuel it averages out to barely over $8 a gallon. If that's being stupid...... I don't want to be fixed.

for me it boils down to having the extra $ at certain points of the year and being broke at other times. this way is a more viable option for myself and I'm guessing a few others.

Mandating where you buy a product isn't called convenience, its called a monopoly.
I'm not trying to buck Hoosier, or Sunoco what I'm saying is if I can get them more affordably elsewhere, or if I already have them, what's the harm in using them? I use the barter system a lot......is the track willing to barter with me?

that's ok, stubbornness and arrogance shows with car counts and fans.

and ....watch the bottom drop out when (if) the built motors get ran off.

that will push me over to dirt racing instantly.

[Patrick Thomas 25]

Matt Albee, who are you talking to when you are talking to Patrick? If you are speaking to me, which I wouldn't be sure why you are, since I didn't post on this thread, but I do want to post on this thread. But not yet.

Patrick Thomas 25

[Matt Albee]

Matt Albee, who are you talking to when you are talking to Patrick? If you are speaking to me, which I wouldn't be sure why you are, since I didn't post on this thread, but I do want to post on this thread. But not yet.

Patrick Thomas 25

My apologies, i got the screen names switched in my mind. I wasn't talking to you though. I can't multi task very well.

[scott bertram]

Matt Albee, who are you talking to when you are talking to Patrick? If you are speaking to me, which I wouldn't be sure why you are, since I didn't post on this thread, but I do want to post on this thread. But not yet.

Patrick Thomas 25

Patrick, please chime in..... I'd like to hear more input from other racers. It was nice meeting you by the way, and thank you for giving my son your trophy sat. he was very grateful. A stand up guy for sure!

[mr south 59]

Yes, it would be a deciding factor. Even if money weren't the issue. I don't like getting screwed.
Getting a better deal is fairly easy. Scott told you exactly how he does it.

Matt, could explain to me how it will be a deciding factor for you to bring your super if you don't even have a super. I would say whether they lifted the mandatory purchase price or not, you still would not be fielding a car.

And Matt, Scott did not explain exactly anything. All he did was blow up a big smokescreen. He never mentioned exactly how much the barrels of fuel are that he buys every year nor how many. Or his source which is the only detail that could prove whether his statement was true or not. He never mentioned how much the sets of tires are he buys from "his guy". I have to throw the BS flag on his whole statement, because it's pretty much BS if you can't back it up.

If these products are not readily available to the general public then it's just a bullshit story. It won't help the racer at all. It just helps the guy who will cut somebody's throat and by products out the back door. Like I said before, he won't post the price that he is getting them for and he won't post his source, to me again it's just a bullshit story.

Anybody can come on here just like you and say that you can obtain these items cheaper than we get them for the track but I have yet to have you anybody post this mysterious location and pricing. Again it's another bullshit story.


So again. I will ask either one of you to disclose your sources where we can buy the tires cheaper than we can buy them for at the track. And please do the same thing for Sunoco standard 110.

Sunoco has a standard pricing for all its distributors. Right now Sunoco standard 110 if you buy it in bulk $500.78 for 55gals. that does not include the barrel fee and the cost to either ship it or go pick it up. Like I said. The invoice last 55 gallon drum that I bought a few months ago was $599.50 including the drum. it is even more in a 5 gallon container. So again. I will throw the bullshit flag.

Now don't get me wrong. There's a legitimate ways to get the fuel cheaper than you can buy it for at the track. Sunoco gives you a substantial break ($2.50 a gal) after you buy a minimum of 4-55 gallon drums. And if you buy eight it's an even more substantial break. So the race track with that sponsor deal from the fuel vendor gets the fuel at a substantial discount. They can sell it to you cheaper than you can buy it for anywhere else and still make a profit after paying somebody to pump it for you and the administrative value that is included. Again, that is why you can buy a cheaper at the track then you can't anywhere else. So Scott would have to buy a minimum of four barrels and go pick them up and store them for about a year to get a dollar 50 per gallon break on the fuel. That's a $15 savings on 10 gallons that is mandatory to buy at the track. To me it is not worth the hassle nor the out-of-pocket expense that Scott claims to not have to save $15 when I get to the racetrack.

FYI. You're throwing out all these names of different fuel brands and fuel vendors or even pump gas. You probably don't even realize in the rules, the rules call for specific brands of fuel that we must run at the track. And it also states that you are not allowed to run any type of pump gas.

And just to clarify. I normally burn about 20 to 27 gallons on a race weekend. It really doesn't concern me if I have to buy 10 gallons of fuel to help support the track. The few dollars you claim it may be costing me it's really not even worth the time of this thread.

[mr south 59]

Matt. You ask how buying tires and fuel at the track can benefit the racer. If the racer supports the race track the racetrack stays in business. Then the racers have a place to race. And you have a place to come watch racers race and bring your friends.

In turn that gives meaning to your life. Then you can go home and get on the Internet and bitch about why racers shouldn't go to the racetrack and support it. And tell them why they are getting screwed by the racetrack owner because the race track owner is spending large amounts of money to buy large volumes of race fuel so he can sell it to you at a discount price and make a little profit. And how tah profit is screwing the racer over. I like where you're going with this!!!

Now if the race track owner doesn't make any profit. The lights turn off.

So, I would suggest if you would like to help make racing better in the state of Florida, that you take some of Ricky Brooks great advice he told you in a earlier post and "shut your pie hole". At some of the best advice I've seen Ricky post in a long time.

Thanks again


Ps. I don't know how you got brought into that Patrick. Matt's not the sharpest tool in the shed. We will see you Pitside

[mr south 59]

Sorry, i forgot to answer " probably the most important question of all". No.

Well that explains everything. What a big fucking waste of time.

It's things like the stuff you post and things like Scott trying to cut out his local track of the main reasons why short track racing is going down the crap hole. Scott's probably one of those racers it thinks the race track shouldn't make a dime on anything but should keep the lights on for him to come run his car when he decides to come race once or twice a year. And then you guys will probably be the first ones on the Internet bitching when they close the doors.


My boy is doing a doubleheader at Pensacola and Mobile this weekend. And I'm pretty sure they're buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel at the track.

Good luck with your crusade. It's really doing wonders for short track racing in Florida.

Thanks again

[exnyer]

Well that explains everything. What a big fucking waste of time.

It's things like the stuff you post and things like Scott trying to cut out his local track of the main reasons why short track racing is going down the crap hole. Scott's probably one of those racers it thinks the race track shouldn't make a dime on anything but should keep the lights on for him to come run his car when he decides to come race once or twice a year. And then you guys will probably be the first ones on the Internet bitching when they close the doors.


My boy is doing a doubleheader at Pensacola and Mobile this weekend. And I'm pretty sure they're buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel at the track.

Good luck with your crusade. It's really doing wonders for short track racing in Florida.

Thanks again

Are you personally buying the 5 sets of tires and 60 gallons of fuel or is the sponsor/team owner?

[Racer6x]

^^^^^the reason why the tracks (most of them have Shitty car counts and are crappy are:A. Tech is inconsistent B. No one can agree on rules to allow cars to run from track to track ( SUPERS,Pro Late, Modified, Sportsman, Mod Mini and Superstock ) should have the same rules. If people could figure that out I'm sure car counts would increase. Who wants to change so much crap including tires to go race at another track? People would love to go venture out and race somewhere else every now and then but the first 2 examples stops that. C. Track owners and reps need to treat racers as customers not the other way around. D. Most tracks can't seem to sit down and come up with schedules to allow racers to go from track to track. (Maybe alternate schedules for area tracks? ) Come up with series that visit each track once? Sounds reasonable ? E. Don't have a million classes of classes. And F. Keep it fresh and for god sakes stop charging so much for big races. If I gotta pay $25 x's 3=$75 to go see 10-15 latemodels I'm staying home. So instead of getting $15 x's 3= $45 and then $50 in beer and food your now getting 0$. And the tire and fuel thing. Allow people to bring their own fuel( you can put additives in your cell and top it off with track fuel so that argument is invalid. And tires can be checked . Maybe offer $100 extra for top finishing car who purchases tires and fuel for big races ? I agree we need to support local tracks but if someone scrapes up money to buy good take offs let them run.

[scott bertram]

this is beyond ridiculous, I'm not giving up names for a reason. Apparently you take me for a fool.... which I assure you i'm not. If I could get the product cheaper or even a few bucks more at the track I would. Once again if you aren't living in a hole its pretty clear who I deal with. give it up, I put my work in. Here's an idea Mr dunn........if you want that kind of relationship with a shop, you put in the work! plenty of shops around. I do work in exchange for cheaper products. Can everyone do it with my connection? no. but what difference does it make? If someone strikes a deal with a Hoosier dealer out of the loop or trades, what difference does it make as long as its the track tire per rules?

as for people like me putting tracks out of business..... you got to be kidding. How's the big car counts working out lately? Last week 7 latemodels showed at nss, if everyone bought 1 set and the track profit was $30 a set (yeah right) we are talking $210 for the night. If that closes doors, they weren't going to last at all anyways.

The whole point is that car counts are down, fans are dwindling, and instead of trying to get car count up however necessary we implement nonsense rules that don't effect the track much but do effect the low buck racer. On one post you say the tracks don't make any $ to speak of off from tires/fuel, the next post you say by racers not buying them at the track will close tracks down. Figure out what it is you want to say and get back to me.

Sucking up to Brooks wont get you far. ( from what I've heard he's short lived anyways at one track. might want to find out who his replacement will be and start kissing up).

The very unprofessional arrogant responses that he is giving to racers and fans concerns, combined with the bs rules being forced is what's hurting the tracks. Look at how Adale's post blew up over this. good stuff..... great for business I assume.

[mr south 59]

Racer6. You are exactly right. It has nothing to do with the minimum mandatory purchase that is hurting car account. We all have to buy that stuff to raise anyway. A good part of it is exactly what you said.

Exner, a lot you guys know me and my boy racing out super late model around Florida and in the southeastern United States. My boy also works for a predominant super late model team where he is the tire specialist. And yes the father of the boy driving the car buys the five sets of tires and the 60 gallons of fuel. How else would they get them?

[Matt Albee]

Matt, could explain to me how it will be a deciding factor for you to bring your super if you don't even have a super. I would say whether they lifted the mandatory purchase price or not, you still would not be fielding a car.

And Matt, Scott did not explain exactly anything. All he did was blow up a big smokescreen. He never mentioned exactly how much the barrels of fuel are that he buys every year nor how many. Or his source which is the only detail that could prove whether his statement was true or not. He never mentioned how much the sets of tires are he buys from "his guy". I have to throw the BS flag on his whole statement, because it's pretty much BS if you can't back it up.

If these products are not readily available to the general public then it's just a bullshit story. It won't help the racer at all. It just helps the guy who will cut somebody's throat and by products out the back door. Like I said before, he won't post the price that he is getting them for and he won't post his source, to me again it's just a bullshit story.

Anybody can come on here just like you and say that you can obtain these items cheaper than we get them for the track but I have yet to have you anybody post this mysterious location and pricing. Again it's another bullshit story.


So again. I will ask either one of you to disclose your sources where we can buy the tires cheaper than we can buy them for at the track. And please do the same thing for Sunoco standard 110.

Sunoco has a standard pricing for all its distributors. Right now Sunoco standard 110 if you buy it in bulk $500.78 for 55gals. that does not include the barrel fee and the cost to either ship it or go pick it up. Like I said. The invoice last 55 gallon drum that I bought a few months ago was $599.50 including the drum. it is even more in a 5 gallon container. So again. I will throw the bullshit flag.

Now don't get me wrong. There's a legitimate ways to get the fuel cheaper than you can buy it for at the track. Sunoco gives you a substantial break ($2.50 a gal) after you buy a minimum of 4-55 gallon drums. And if you buy eight it's an even more substantial break. So the race track with that sponsor deal from the fuel vendor gets the fuel at a substantial discount. They can sell it to you cheaper than you can buy it for anywhere else and still make a profit after paying somebody to pump it for you and the administrative value that is included. Again, that is why you can buy a cheaper at the track then you can't anywhere else. So Scott would have to buy a minimum of four barrels and go pick them up and store them for about a year to get a dollar 50 per gallon break on the fuel. That's a $15 savings on 10 gallons that is mandatory to buy at the track. To me it is not worth the hassle nor the out-of-pocket expense that Scott claims to not have to save $15 when I get to the racetrack.

FYI. You're throwing out all these names of different fuel brands and fuel vendors or even pump gas. You probably don't even realize in the rules, the rules call for specific brands of fuel that we must run at the track. And it also states that you are not allowed to run any type of pump gas.

And just to clarify. I normally burn about 20 to 27 gallons on a race weekend. It really doesn't concern me if I have to buy 10 gallons of fuel to help support the track. The few dollars you claim it may be costing me it's really not even worth the time of this thread.

Lets start with the rules. Desoto and Auburndale allow you to use any brand of race gas you like. I believe the same is true for most tracks in Florida, the obvious hold outs being Showtime and NSS i think.
Your shortsighted idea of buying the tires and gas at the track miss a very obvious point. There are speed shops, race shops, and others trying to survive. You can't possibly be so clueless that you think it's a BAD idea to spread the money around, help keep everyone in business. The tracks don't bother to lift a finger toward selling advertising to keep themselves healthy, i'm sure not going to feel sorry for them if they can't also grab all of the tire and gas money too.
We won't bother going into the gas price nonsense again, i already gave you 2 examples by name, that can sell you race gas cheaper. You can call BS on Scott all you like, but i'm not seeing you prove him wrong. He gets a deal on tires, you call bs. He gets a deal on gas, you call bs. From what you've posted, i go along with my original statement that whoever is selling you gas sure must hate you. Probably the same with the tires. It just might be that Scott has a gas supplier that is willing to deal. Or he might buy an entirely different brand.
It looks like some tracks charge a reasonable price for tires and gas. I guess Palm Beach isn't one of those where race gas is concerned. Neither is Showtime from what i've seen posted.