ACT is some cool stuff

[scottgarrity07]

Inverted starts are also the way to go...if you want an excited and repeat fan base.

The points are an interesting twist, but are really beside the point.

I disagree about the points deal, Old School. It makes the heat races worth something and encourages drivers to pass cars instead of just riding in a transfer spot. This makes for a better show for the fans. After all, isn't it ALL about passing cars???

[OldSchool+]

To clarify, I agree with the points-for-passing (with maybe a few extra for the winner, regardless of starting position).

What I meant was-Attention Promoters:the fans like the invert and it will generate additional interest, write the rules to go with it as is appropriate--for your weekly events.

[scottgarrity07]

To clarify, I agree with the points-for-passing (with maybe a few extra for the winner, regardless of starting position).

What I meant was-Attention Promoters:the fans like the invert and it will generate additional interest, write the rules to go with it as is appropriate--for your weekly events.

I agree 100 percent old school. There's a lot of things that the ACT does that would improve the experience for the local fan and a huge one is inverting the field. Like I said isn't all about passing?

[OldSchool+]

They used to do it in the '60s as a rule but got all "professional" and began starting the polesitter up front. At NSS, that can be the equivalent of an F1 start--zero passing, wake me up when it's over.

Folks fuss about Brian France, but the double file restarts that trickled down from Cup are one of the best things ever to happen to short track racing, IMO.

[scottgarrity07]

They used to do it in the '60s as a rule but got all "professional" and began starting the polesitter up front. At NSS, that can be the equivalent of an F1 start--zero passing, wake me up when it's over.

Folks fuss about Brian France, but the double file restarts that trickled down from Cup are one of the best things ever to happen to short track racing, IMO.

That's funny. Where me and Phil hail from we always did double-file restarts (even before anyone knew what a Brian France was!). I always thought it "trickled up" to Cup racing from the short tracks! We always had handicapped (inverted) starts, always ran heats, and took the one to go flag right out of the pit gate too!

[OldSchool+]

Whoever said they "don't care how y'all do it up nawth" would be a fool...

A good idea is a good idea.

"The North" has got money behind promoting, money in the pits, big car counts, appropriate rules, dedicated fans...

We got (and this one is dedicated to Phil!) freakin' drifting.

ps--SUPERMODIFIEDS!!

[scottgarrity07]

Whoever said they "don't care how y'all do it up nawth" would be a fool...

A good idea is a good idea.

"The North" has got money behind promoting, money in the pits, big car counts, appropriate rules, dedicated fans...

We got (and this one is dedicated to Phil!) freakin' drifting.

ps--SUPERMODIFIEDS!!

I agree, to some extent. The biggest thing I DON'T miss is the rougher nature of racing "Up Nawth". Rubbin' is racin' but moving people is more the rule than the exception up there. The bump 'n run was THE way to pass at Stafford. That lead to a lot of torn up race cars. We always had to reskin our crumpled car EVERY year. On many nights the SK mods are a crashfest in CT. The racing is much cleaner and more gentlemanly here and I prefer that, for sure.

BTW Supermods at NSS would be breathtaking.

[OldSchool+]

They used to run the Supers at Volusia when it was paved, and it was indeed breathaking.

There were little vortexes (vortexees? vortexi?) coming off the corners of the wings on the roof, and the racing was incredible. Sort of a cross between sprints and indy cars, with a healthy dose of monster truck thrown in.


They tried it once or twice on their baby asphalt track after they turned the main speedway back into dirt and they just were not appropriate for that venue.

[Phil Jacques]

Whoever said they "don't care how y'all do it up nawth" would be a fool...

A good idea is a good idea.

"The North" has got money behind promoting, money in the pits, big car counts, appropriate rules, dedicated fans...

We got (and this one is dedicated to Phil!) freakin' drifting.

ps--SUPERMODIFIEDS!!

Money behind the promoting comes from getting fans in the stands and "big car counts" in the pits which is a result of "appropriate rules". Fan dedication, sure there is a lot of that, but there is a lot of that anywhere, but it starts with entertainment on track which comes from appropriate rules which helps bring the big car counts which bring fan dedication and, yeah... It's just a big circle. A puzzle if you will. We have a pretty good handle on that puzzle up here, but not without a lot of work. Florida racing is making great strides. Since I moved down there originally and really started paying attention, I have noticed it grow year after year, albeit slowly. Rome wasn't built in a day. Hang tight, you guys are getting better every year and that's something you all can be positive about.

It's not unnoticed, in fact I am talking to 7 other guys right now that are considering a move to FL to race so they don't have to deal with the winters anymore just like I want to next season. lol

Now one thing I have to correct a bit... You say big money in the pits. Well... Not really. If you look at the big picture, we probably make higher wages here on average, but the cost of living here is also much higher than Florida. Used cars and parts are much more expensive etc. It all kind of evens out.

[OldSchool+]

Phil,

Clearly there are exceptions, but also clearly there is big money in the NSS pits right now--and it came from the North.

In the summertime, how many Florida Teams--read owners--could afford and would tow to New York for a race?

[Phil Jacques]

Phil,

Clearly there are exceptions, but also clearly there is big money in the NSS pits right now--and it came from the North.

In the summertime, how many Florida Teams--read owners--could afford and would tow to New York for a race?

There is zero comparison. It's literally apples and hammers. You guys, race year around. We race from April to October. That means we have extra time to save money to travel.

Also, for every 1 "big money team" you see, there are at least 5 low buck teams that stayed home.

What about all the big money teams down there? Don't tell me there aren't any cause I have seen them first hand. Stackers rolling in with SLMs and Sprints etc. There aren't as many down there as there are up here, but then again we have a higher population of cars and tracks due to the geography up here compared to FL...

Apples to hammers. No comparing it at all.

[OldSchool+]

Money to Money, man.

The big bucks period are in the Northeast.

[OldSchool+]

There is no "good guys" or "bad guys", that's just the facts, Jacques!

[Matt Albee]

Yes, people complain about Brian France because he's a fool. Nothing good in NASCAR has come from Brian France. Just the opposite in fact. How many football/basketball venues have had to dump 50,000 seats or more like DSS because they can't interest anyone in purchasing them.

The idea of inverted starts, totally inverted starts has been discussed here and everywhere else for years. Yet the Florida track owners ignore it. After seeing ACT do it, and the fans loving it, maybe one of them will have the foresight ( or courage ) to try it at their track.

I imagine guys from Florida used to tow up to Rockford for their races years ago. Not for the money, but for the prestige of running that race. The guys from up north came down here to race because it's a racing vacation. Drop the wife and kids at the beach and go racing. These days, the purse hasn't kept up with the expenses, so you see smaller northern car counts. It helps car counts when the Florida races are part of the points championship.

[Phil Jacques]

There is no "good guys" or "bad guys", that's just the facts, Jacques!

Believe what you want, but you are 100% wrong. Scott will absolutely back me up. You have just as many "big bucks" teams there as there are here on average, just not in sheer population.