Race fuel

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

It's interesting that race fuel prices go up with pump gas prices but don't fall. They should at least fall some due to decreased delivery cost.

Sorry Renegade, but I believe all race fuel companies profits increase when pump gas price falls. Contracts keep other fuel companies from selling their fuel cheaper to competitors customers.

Hope you get that new boat with this fall in pump gas prices. LOL !

Race fuel prices would probably fall due to decreased delivery costs, but delivery is made by vehicles running diesel and as any trucker can tell you, diesel never drops the way pump gas does. You'll also notice that some brands of race fuel are always more expensive than others, they never seem to drop in price. As i mentioned, race fuel increases have everything to do with chemical prices and nothing to do with pump gas prices. Ours prices have gone down a little over the past couple of years. That's why Desoto Speedway can price their race fuel at a lower price than other tracks do.
I'm not clear what you're talking about concerning contracts and fuel companies selling to competitors customers. Are you commenting on race track fuel contracts?
If my profits went up to the point i could buy a boat, i wouldn't spend the money on a boat. I'd build a race car.

[OldSchool+]

"Most racing fuels are a blend of many chemicals and compounds and are often made from scratch. They don't have any connection to regular pump gasoline."--Renegade

Thank you so much for the insight here. So, I always assumed that "racing fuel" was pump gasoline with a bunch of lead and other octane enhancers, but your statement indicates that it is closer to cox glow fuel--alcohol and nitro and whatnot.

Ignore my details, they are probably all incorrect. But on the one hand, if it is mostly gasoline by volume, it theoretically should come down. Diesel delivery fuel is a given.

On the other hand, if it is truly mixed like "from scratch" that explains things a little differently.

Perhaps you could shed some light on the upward pressure of the pricing historically that seems to be correlated with gasoline. Was that coincidence?

[OldSchool+]

"If my profits went up to the point i could buy a boat, i wouldn't spend the money on a boat. I'd build a race car."--Renegade Fuels

Almost like a "user" supporting his habit!

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

"Most racing fuels are a blend of many chemicals and compounds and are often made from scratch. They don't have any connection to regular pump gasoline."--Renegade

Thank you so much for the insight here. So, I always assumed that "racing fuel" was pump gasoline with a bunch of lead and other octane enhancers, but your statement indicates that it is closer to cox glow fuel--alcohol and nitro and whatnot.

Ignore my details, they are probably all incorrect. But on the one hand, if it is mostly gasoline by volume, it theoretically should come down. Diesel delivery fuel is a given.

On the other hand, if it is truly mixed like "from scratch" that explains things a little differently.

Perhaps you could shed some light on the upward pressure of the pricing historically that seems to be correlated with gasoline. Was that coincidence?

Renegade Racing Fuel prices haven't gone up in 4 years, they've actually gone down for some of our blends.

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

"If my profits went up to the point i could buy a boat, i wouldn't spend the money on a boat. I'd build a race car."--Renegade Fuels

Almost like a "user" supporting his habit!

Sort of. I'm a big fan of all types of racing, there's almost no place i'd rather be than at a race track. And i've raced a number of different cars in the past.

[Don Nerone]

well here I go agin...

real racing gas is more gas than the pump gas you buy on the street. 10%
some of the racing ( fuel ) sold is not gas.
There were a few big racing (gas) co that sold to the tracks when I was around and now I think they were pushed to the side do to the high price of gas.
Look for there return...lol

don62

[OldSchool+]

"Renegade Racing Fuel prices haven't gone up in 4 years, they've actually gone down for some of our blends." --Renegade

Good news indeed.

We certainly are mentioning "Renegade Racing Fuels" frequently, and fair enough, it's all part of the game (just ask "Mikey").

Would you care to list pricing? Maybe some will be influenced to switch.

Or is that virtually tied 100% to the Promoters "retail" price and so the number on your invoice is pretty much neither here nor there.

[OldSchool+]

Don--your input clearly contradicts the other information (I think...).

Who woulda thunk it? However also fair enough.

Why hasn't race gasoline gone down? Perhaps they have a stock of it made with the high priced pump gas from a year ago?

And there is another self evident reason, but that aside, what is your guess regarding if/when it might come down for the (as usual, paying, paying, paying...) racer?

[kendo]

Race fuel prices would probably fall due to decreased delivery costs, but delivery is made by vehicles running diesel and as any trucker can tell you, diesel never drops the way pump gas does. .

Although somewhat true,diesel has dropped $1.25+/gallon over the past few months,enough I would think to drop the price considerably for any delivered good no matter what it is made of.

[shorttrackcar1]

Race fuel is much more tied to chemical prices than gasoline prices because there can be over 200 chemicals and compounds in blends of race fuel. The prices for chemicals don't come down very often. It has happened, but not often.
Race gas prices are left up to the retailer or race track. Some have to pay such high prices from their supplier that they in turn have to price it very high to the racer.

well its funny back when the fuel prices started going out of numbers that's when the track race fuel went up as well . and every time the price went a little higher so did the track race fuel. I guess just a coincidence. funny

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

Although somewhat true,diesel has dropped $1.25+/gallon over the past few months,enough I would think to drop the price considerably for any delivered good no matter what it is made of.

The price of delivery is strictly up to the deliverer, so when they drop their prices, every other company who receives shipments can drop theirs. Some will, some won't.

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

"Renegade Racing Fuel prices haven't gone up in 4 years, they've actually gone down for some of our blends." --Renegade

Good news indeed.

We certainly are mentioning "Renegade Racing Fuels" frequently, and fair enough, it's all part of the game (just ask "Mikey").

Would you care to list pricing? Maybe some will be influenced to switch.

Or is that virtually tied 100% to the Promoters "retail" price and so the number on your invoice is pretty much neither here nor there.

A huge number of racers have already switched. Pricing is left strictly up to the retailer or race track.

[Renegade Racing Fuels]

well its funny back when the fuel prices started going out of numbers that's when the track race fuel went up as well . and every time the price went a little higher so did the track race fuel. I guess just a coincidence. funny

I can't think of anything that hasn't gone up in price right along with gasoline, so i'd say it was maybe more free market than coincidence.

[Matt Albee]

I'd have to go along with Renegade on this one. A few years ago a speed shop owner showed me a sheet that gave health info on racing gas, sunoco i think it was. I didn't see gasoline listed anywhere but there was a very long list of chemicals i can't begin to pronounce.
I don't know what race fuel sells for, so i don't know if prices have gone up or down. But i imagine they've trended up, like everything else.

[hms]

The answer is E-85 you can buy at the pump for alittle more than $2.00 a gallon the same stuff you can run in your passenger car.
around 105-108 octane
this can be can very easily done by buying a E-85 conversion kit from Quick fuel for any carb and only takes an hour to install. Super lates,mods,trucks, mini,.... can all run on this. I have done extensive research on this and run it for years with no problems AT ALL.