is the TBARA done?

[Bobby Diehl]

Well... I need a job right now so I could run it (obviously not for free though) until my hair turns gray - well it already has - so, until it falls out... Might be fun or it might give me ulcers, but would be interesting...

Hell Dave why don't you take the East Races and I take the West Coast Races. You helped me make FASTRUCK a plenty good little Series back in the day. What do say????

[OldSchool+]

Boneman,

How about simplifying? Am on the outside looking in but it seems like a website could be set up with a schedule (as it develops--much like a local rock band), an in invite for promoters to send an email regarding details of getting a show at their track.

Seems like wings or no wings should be about the same--that is, what the promoter with the money wants is what you show up with--but again, I may be over simplifying.

Other than that, every man for himself and you all go to events as promoted by the tracks.

ps--I really like the quality of the TBARA fields and the inverted starts.

But without board members, it is a very cool chicken with no head, eh?

(and yes, I am probably competing with Matt for best post award...)

[Matt Albee]

Matt, you have achieved perfection: you are wrong about everything in your post. Congratulations.

The TBARA does not put the worst people in charge. It is a "coalition of the willing". We have to draw from volunteers who are usually involved with sprint cars in some way. The talent level runs from very highly skilled people to others with much less. Either way, you have no idea of what it takes to pull it together, or the abilities of the directors to make things happen.

A half a field? We averaged 18 last season, look it up.

The cost to the tracks is much lower now than what it was 5 years ago. In 2011 and 2012, the price the tracks were willing to pay dropped through the floor, but has recovered somewhat in the past few seasons.

The show went downhill? Have you ever actually seen one? We handicap the starts (unlike most stock car classes), and our fastest cars usually start around the 10'th, 11'th or 12'th spots. No class passes more than winged sprints.

Non-wings sprints are good. Personally I prefer the wing cars because they are faster and don't appear to be coasting as much, but they are just two sides of a same coin. By the way, the TBARA cost the tracks much less than the non-wing shows that they put on by themselves. Figure that one out...

Thanks for re-posting my post Rex.
My post...They often put the worst possible person in charge.
Your post...the talent level runs from very high to others with much less

My post...half a field of cars or less shows up
Your post...half a field? We averaged 18 last season. ( do you really consider an average of 18 cars a full field?) ( how many cars are registered in the TBARA?)

My post... the costs to the tracks kept going up
Your post...in 2011 and 2012 the price the tracks were willing to pay dropped through the floor. ( sounds like the costs just kept going up )

As to the cost of non-wing shows vs. the winged cars...the winged cars are on the verge of going away completely and a number of tracks are bringing in the non-wing cars on a regular basis. I doubt it's because the non-wing shows cost more to book.

[Matt Albee]

As most people on here know, i love asphalt sprint cars. And i'm all for seeing them thrive. But in my view, the TBARA has been hit or miss over the years and right now the club can't seem to be able to even find someone who is willing to run it. That doesn't say much for the viability of the TBARA.

[OldSchool+]

So I offered up a few (probably oddball) suggestions, do you have any that are hopefully better?

[katlizy]

Wow.. Let's see how this goes.

I like Mr Rex.. He seems to be nice...and a good ambassador for racing... However.. There is a bigger picture here..

Not only do you have the inner workings of a club in turmoil, you have public opinion in the shitter as well. The prior régime ruined the reputation of the club. They were left looking like a bunch of cliqueish highschool boys.

The tracks didn't want the drama, so it was easier to pay extra to have their own races, winged or non.

In the end.. No one wants to do damage control, and clean up the mess left behind by the few that ruined it for everyone else.

I think they need to sit out the season, and rethink where they wanna go.

Really, a little competition doesn't hurt either.. Looking fwd to seeing lots, and uscs.

[OldSchool+]

I honestly do not know enough about the details of the TBARA thing to discuss it (but then, that is not typically enough to stop me...).

It seems that whenever the inmates run the asylum it ends up badly, a la CART. The sporty car bunch kind of went there too.

But TBARA has been around a while so it must have been working fairly well.

Like you say, though, it may be a good thing.

Am guessing a promoter would prefer to come up with an idea, and a purse, make a few calls to check interest, and move forward. It is his deal.

Dealing with a club would seem to be more of a negotiation than an invitation.

[Don Nerone]

The TBARA has been around most of my racing life.
I have been to many of there meating and was a member at one time.
How they are sail a club I don't know.
I do know this they have had some bad times in the past and some of the best racing in the state others nd they have alwase made it threw the bad times.
I don't want to se the sprints go buy the side in florida so someone grab the raines and get with it.
any time you have the inmates run the lunch room some one thinks they aren't getting there fair share of the pie.
give them time and they will work it out.. the answer is plane as day..

Don62

[Lurkin]

I agree, the answer is plain as day!! Put Rhems in charge again! Take some of that money and entice him or whatever you have to do but that seems like a no brainer to me.

[Don Nerone]

I agree, the answer is plain as day!! Put Rhems in charge again! Take some of that money and entice him or whatever you have to do but that seems like a no brainer to me.

He did a great job for a few years. Im sure some of them must can rember how good it was.
I don't think that Don would put up with the club agin but they should be able to work something out... just my though


Don62

[tandrews88]

Tbara

Don would be an excellent choice for the job. If he could take charge an run it like he does top gun it would be one of the premier series in the state.

[Matt Albee]

Sorry if it was posted and i missed it, but are the non-wing races we've been seeing just a bunch of sprint car racers showing up to a track, or do they have an organization too?

[katlizy]

Non winged are run by the track. No club sanction. Anyone can race..

[Matt Albee]

Non winged are run by the track. No club sanction. Anyone can race..

Thanks, i didn't know for sure. That concept seems to be working well so far.

[8modified]

Remember that Don lost control of the TBARA because he thought he could not be replaced and he showed to much favoritism to ( son in law ) among other things.

Then Lenny did the same for his team, then Stan, then Buff the wild man could not control himself and put the nail in the coffin of what we know as the TBARA.

I think Don would be the right guy to take back over, I would hope he knows what went wrong many years ago. He did run a tightly run club and he has the respect of a lot of promoters and racers.