E-MOD 50 lapper orlando speed world

[Matt Albee]

The problem with the E-mod running on slicks would be they would be the only class on slicks right now. the super stock, sportsman and trucks they ran earlier in the year are all on the same grooved tires. maybe down the road if things go the other way. nobody wants to change anything until osw post a scheduled up of what classes they are going to try to run next year. As for me if this class survives I would like to see some things changed like crate motor only no built motors . makes it easier for tech . anyone caught with a taken apart cheated up crate motor suspended for a number of races and motor confiscated . what I would have like to seen On the crate motor everybody should have been running the same. A 4BBL carb ,spacer and a good set of valve springs. tech on these cars should have been easy.

Would i be correct in assuming that your car already fits all of those specs exactly?
Here's something to think about. The E Mods are indeed only running at one track, why do you think that is? Maybe because racers and fans alike aren't interested in the class as it currently exists? It's a badly watered down, castrated version of the real thing and that's just not going to draw a crowd.
Some or all of the e mod guys need to sit down and write a set of sensible rules for the class. Not just rules that favor your own car. Not just rules that favor the cheap skates in the class. And limiting an already tiny class with more spec rules isn't going to draw any more cars or fans. And find a series sponsor or two that will stick with the class, like the sponsors that have stepped up at OSW.
And if teching engines is a problem, you need to find a new tech guy. They've been teching built motors for 7 decades with no problems.

[OldSchool+]

agreed

[Luis G]

It's a badly watered down, castrated version of the real thing and that's just not going to draw a crowd.
Some or all of the e mod guys need to sit down and write a set of sensible rules for the class.

If we are getting rid of all watered down classes then lets get rid of Strictly stocks,Pro Lates, and even the Nationwide Series cause they are all watered down classes of another. There has to be a less expensive class to compliment the upper classes. You are more likely to see someone get into a E-Mod to start out than a big motor mod. The cars seem to be more equal than the big motor mods cause the crate motors outrun the built motors in the E-Mods. I know this cause Modracer's car has won at OSW and NSS with a crate motor and passed tech. The rules for them work just fine as they are now, tweak it later when they find a new home. I know the engine builders hate the crate motors but times are changing and they are here to stay.

If there were no Strictly Stocks and I had to start in a Super Stock then I wouldn't be racing. So the E-mods are good because some of them will move up to the big mods after some time, so don't hate on them too much.

[modracer#8]

Matt you are incorrect on just about your whole post. my crate motor still has the seals and is always for sale.

[shorttrackcar1]

Matt that is your opinion. have you been to any E-mod races ? have you walk the stands and taken a survey from the fans about what classes they can't stand to watch I think not. I disagree with you and old school. come Dec 5th at osw if this class has 10 + cars show up then that proves this class has suport and should have never been droped from NSS your not going to tell me the fans are not showing up because of the E-mod class running there are a lot worse classes running with 5/8 cars. I can't wait for the big motor mods to run NSS next year if they Don't bring big car counts I am going to remind you every time.

[OldSchool+]

Shortrack1,

I have seen the emods at new smyrna and they were a yawner--IMO. They may be far more interesting at Bithlo, particularly if the fellers run 4bbls. Claimer motor mods ran exciting races there, maybe the emods will as well.

Disagreeing is certainly "legal".

Ironically, we are not in disagreement on one of your points: I also do not care to see 4) 10k+ modifieds droning around New Smyrna-and I will bet they do not last long there for the same reasons the emods were dropped.

If it was my deal (which it isn't), I would get the car owners together from both classes and present them with the following: The emods are too flat, and the full on mods are too few. Y'all come up with some ideas on how to pick up the emods and cut back the high dollar jobs to form one class with a decent car count, or further changes will be made.

[Matt Albee]

The E-mods are a castrated version of the real thing. They are so unpopular with fans and with racers that there's only one track running them. Does that tell you that the class probably needs a complete rethink?
The street stock, limited stock, pure stock, sportsman, pro late thing has been discussed to death. There's no legitimate reason for any of those classes. Slow the Pro lates a bit, allow the others to speed up a bit, roll em all into one class and you've got a show. Though i will say that the difference between most of those and a Super Late are very obvious so you aren't watching a much slower clone of the real thing.
I still find it interesting that people think the crate motor is THE answer to cost effective racing. It isn't and never was. A local junkyard, the parts under the workbench in the garage, along with crates and common sense rules are the way to cost effective racing. I sure couldn't write a check to buy a crate motor and a lot of guys starting out couldn't either. So instead of restricting everyone to what you already happen to own, let guys use ingenuity along with used parts and tires of their choice and means.
And please get rid of those stupid treaded tires.

[OldSchool+]

Matt,

I agree with you in theory, but a coupla things in defense of the crate motor:

1) They work very well in the Sportsman cars. The show at Auburndale was good and I can remember thinking--"I'll bet the front four or five are not crate motors"--but they were!

2) It is hard to build a motor for what the crates cost. The last engine I built was $1,300 in machine work alone--and that was several years ago.

I will be needing a 350 soon, and although I have a worn one on an engine stand, I will probably buy a new 350HO, which is the street version of the crate motor--It is cheaper, and probably will live right out of the...crate.

On the other hand--and I have asked the question before--why are the Sportsman so good and the modifieds so...not so good?

My suggestion--run crate motors, but open the cam and valve springs up so the racers can run what they want ONLY!!--tech the rest as is the usual, and run 4bbl carbs.

[shorttrackcar1]

Oldschool you ask why the sportsman so good what class do you think is faster on the track with the crate motor sportsman, super stock or Emod the Emod with a 2bbl carb how much faster do you think they would be with a 4 bbl carb? funny thing is was it you on here a while back saying you could hear the diffrence in a crate car vs built motor from the stands? but at aubrundale the top 5 cars were crate motors and you even say you thought for sure they were built motors and they where not. did they sound diffenent that night.

[OldSchool+]

It WAS me!

In times past I have heard limited late models, or sportsman, or something and thought--"man, those sound doggy". From the stands, you kinda don't know what the rules are and/or guess at what the deal is. I know that the old 9:1/2bbl motors did not do it for me when paired with exhaust manifolds.

But clearly I was wrong on this deal! (hey, it happens)

Am still confused as to why crate sportsman run so much better than crate modifieds. The 4bbl has been listed as the only difference, so at this time I can only go with that as the reason.

All of that aside, with a 4bbl and more camshaft, it ought to pick 'em up for relatively minor $$ investment, don't you think?

Plus, New Smyrna is a done deal, and Bithlo is...iffy. The reason NSS got rid of them was/is lack of fan interest so simply saying "Let's support them" ain't gonna happen, so...

You have my suggestion, any other ideas to add...?

[shorttrackcar1]

Oldschool I like debateing about raceing I do see your point on things on here . The E-mods had more car counts then the big motor cars I went back and look at NSS results on thier website one 50lapper the big motor mods had like 5 cars with 4 E- mods filling the rest in and one of the 50 lapper E-mod races had 13 E-Mod cars. now somebody thinks something is there we have a class that has been drop and now they have a 50 lapper coming up kind funny like a back in your face kind of thing I dont think they are dead yet.

[Frasson118]

Does anyone know how many Mods were at NSS on Saturday?

Just curious if they had a good count, as I never got to see any of them. This one race usually proves they CAN bring a bunch.... but the weekly counts are pathetic.

[OldSchool+]

huh.

Wonder what is different? Prize money, perhaps?

On the face of it you would think it would be obvious:

Expensive Motors + Low Prize Money = Low Car Count = Low Fan Count

[Matt Albee]

Matt,

I agree with you in theory, but a coupla things in defense of the crate motor:

1) They work very well in the Sportsman cars. The show at Auburndale was good and I can remember thinking--"I'll bet the front four or five are not crate motors"--but they were!

2) It is hard to build a motor for what the crates cost. The last engine I built was $1,300 in machine work alone--and that was several years ago.

I will be needing a 350 soon, and although I have a worn one on an engine stand, I will probably buy a new 350HO, which is the street version of the crate motor--It is cheaper, and probably will live right out of the...crate.

On the other hand--and I have asked the question before--why are the Sportsman so good and the modifieds so...not so good?

My suggestion--run crate motors, but open the cam and valve springs up so the racers can run what they want ONLY!!--tech the rest as is the usual, and run 4bbl carbs.

My point is that i personally am not in a position to be able to write a check for $3500 or more to buy a crate motor. And many beginning racers can't either. So if the E-mod class is strictly crates, then i'm not going to be able to race for a long time, long enough to set aside that kind of money. But if i can race right now using the old 350 block and heads i have, plus my buddy's crank, rods and pistons, along with my brother in laws headers, intake, and a Holley i picked up at a swap meet a year ago plus a gasket set....why shouldn't i be allowed to?

[OldSchool+]

Matt--Agreed.

Certainly there must be equivalent passenger car cylinder head castings.

Again, open camshaft rules, crate engines, equivalent junk yard motors, 4bbl carbs...ought to do it.