Battle at the Beach!

[kendo]

If you're looking for a successful short track show bring in NASCAR drivers ( they're all in town already anyway ) and even if they can't or won't compete you can have them on site to sign autographs. .

I think that they are all at the dirt track

[oldtimer]

I don't get it 14-15 mods at NSS the first few nights. I figured perhaps they were holding off after the Daytona show last night and a few would run the remainder of the week at NSS. Nope, 13 tonight, actually went down. Nothing like towing all the way down to FLA to race one night!

[kendo]

I don't get it 14-15 mods at NSS the first few nights. I figured perhaps they were holding off after the Daytona show last night and a few would run the remainder of the week at NSS. Nope, 13 tonight, actually went down. Nothing like towing all the way down to FLA to race one night!

$20,000 to win at DIS ,not so much at NSS....All about the $ and bragging rights in having raced at Daytona.

This is why they should have a points race at NSS

[tccaz]

Check the payouts for the world series (pathetic) and you will know why they head home as soon as they are done at daytona.

[Boneman]

Ok, lets review.

Here was a race night that drew the largest crowd I've seen at a Florida short track race in several years. Maybe ever.
It brought dozens of teams from out of state to race here.
It was on live TV.
The fans left happy.
There was more passing and less crashing than most pavement tracks.

Try to convince me that I didn't love it.

[oldtimer]

Too bad. I guess the days of short track racing as a hobby are long gone.....

[Matt Albee]

Seems like Robert Hart would insist via contract that the tour mods race at NSS each Speedweek. He's a NASCAR track now, he should have a little pull. And if NASCAR even remotely cared about NSS putting on a good show with the tour mods, it would be a points paying race.
Now here's the part of this I don't get. NASCAR should welcome all the exposure it can get for the tour mods. NASCAR has a sanctioned short track, a very well known short track with huge history with the tour mods, right down the road from it's headquarters. The tour mods racing at NSS wouldn't cost NASCAR a dime, and its free exposure. NASCAR demands ( don't you doubt it ) that the tour mods show up for it's Battle in the Parking Lot. Yet they allow the tour mods to turn around and go right back up north once the silliness at the track apron is over. They can tell the tour mods to stay, they can make the week long racing at NSS points paying races. Yet they don't.

[Matt Albee]

Check the payouts for the world series (pathetic) and you will know why they head home as soon as they are done at daytona.

True, but the tour mods ALWAYS raced at NSS before during Speedweeks, and the payouts were pretty much the same, what's changed. How can it make economic sense for any of those guys who didn't finish in the top 5 at DIS to turn right around and head back home when there's the chance to race where they've always raced right down the road. There's just got to be more to this story.

[andre]

Some racers will just not race for pocket change. It's that simple.

I remember couple years ago, Bloomquist was parked at a track that was paying 3000 to win, and then the day after it was 5K, 7K and the Grand Finale was 10K. At the 3K to win, the car stayed in the trailer in the track parking lot.

A point race for the Whelen Mods has a $50,000//60,000 purse(approx), what's the purse at NSS? Some guys will protect what they have, being afraid that if they go race for cheaper, their regular purses might take a hit. We cannot blame them. Expensive toy to play with.

[rhinoracing11]

I dont see Nascrap doin NSS.
A-Most fans wont go,its NOT Daytona
B-You CANT put that many cars in there.
C-NSS will scheldule trucks and Pure stocks with them and a total of 10 will
show up
D-Each yellow at NSS is twice as long as Nascrap
E-Daytona put up 20,000 for the Mods, NSS will have to do the same
That isnt goin to happen.
F-Fox sports 1 or whatever its called would have to go to a Short Track,If
noticed,THAT DOESNT HAPPEN ANYMORE
G-I beleive the Die hards for NSS just refuses to see the light.
Rob

[egspeedway]

Seems like Robert Hart would insist via contract that the tour mods race at NSS each Speedweek. He's a NASCAR track now, he should have a little pull. And if NASCAR even remotely cared about NSS putting on a good show with the tour mods, it would be a points paying race.
Now here's the part of this I don't get. NASCAR should welcome all the exposure it can get for the tour mods. NASCAR has a sanctioned short track, a very well known short track with huge history with the tour mods, right down the road from it's headquarters. The tour mods racing at NSS wouldn't cost NASCAR a dime, and its free exposure. NASCAR demands ( don't you doubt it ) that the tour mods show up for it's Battle in the Parking Lot. Yet they allow the tour mods to turn around and go right back up north once the silliness at the track apron is over. They can tell the tour mods to stay, they can make the week long racing at NSS points paying races. Yet they don't.

As I said in an earlier post, Speedweeks is not about NASCAR it is all about the France families need for more $$$. NASCAR has in essence violated its own rules about competing events to please the France family. Mr. Hart is deserving of sainthood for his dedication to our sport through thick and thin. Just look at how long he has put up with the Orlando debacle.

[Matt Albee]

You're right about the France family. And NASCAR is about Cup racing, not about tour mods, so they don't make any more than token attempts at marketing the mods.
On the other hand, look at what the Dirt Series and WOO does at Volusia. They could both just lay out used tires in a local parking lot and have a "race". But instead they use a local race track to showcase their cars and drivers during Speedweeks. Yes, I know Dirt owns Volusia. And the reason they own it is because they were smart enough to make sure they had a place to showcase their stars in front of the huge crowds that come to Daytona each year. Marketing 101.

[Frasson118]

Robert Hart CAN'T insist on a Tour Mod date. He can request one, and if approved, he has to write a big check for the contract. And from what I understand, it's a pretty fat check.

It comes down to money.... NASCAR gets their money up-front, and Hart gets to hope he gets enough fans and sponsors to get paid back. It's a huge gamble.

The way a track employee put it to me was "K&N is about half the money, and they bring TV contracts with them". The Mods get VERY little TV time, and their appeal is more regional than it is national.

NASCAR cares nothing about tradition, or even common good for them & their member tracks..... they care about CASH.

[Matt Albee]

True, Robert Hart would have to request a date and NASCAR would have to approve it. But wouldn't you think it's in NASCARs' interest to have the tour mods at NSS every year? Or put another way, whats the downside for NASCAR or Hart or the tour mod racers in having the tour mods race at NSS during Speedweeks?
I'm still waiting for someone to post a reason why, when absolutely nothing changed, the tour mods raced at NSS in 2012 just the way they had for years, but totally abandoned NSS in 2013 and apparently in 2014. Same track, same purse, same rules, same schedule, same tv and news coverage. Only obvious changes, NSS became a NASCAR track, which should have been a good thing for the tour mods. And NASCAR stole one of the NSS nights to showcase the mods at the track apron.

[Matt Albee]

But it's done, looks like the tour mod races at NSS during Speedweeks are a thing of the past and now I have one less reason to go to Speedweeks.