FUPS Sportsman Rules and Dates

[Bill Chapman]

Posted under FUPS Sportsman Series

[Todd Allen]

May use tubular upper A - Frames any length. Non Adjustable.

Surely this doesnt mean you can't have them slotted for caster adjustment. So would camber shims be considered "adjustable"?

[shawn61]

It just means no adjustable ball joints

[MW68SS]

2 questions

1) What is the total cubic inch displacement allowed for the engine. The rulebook is 350 max for a Chevy. If you bore it any at all you have more than 350 cubic inches.
2) Is there a reason a crate engine can't run a double roller timing chain? I thought most tracks allowed that change to the engine for better durability.

[BILL86]

Have to say I dont like alot of the rules, clutch, distributor, stock bore, why on gods green earth would you have a "any lift" hydrolic camshaft, you know that would be the weakest link of the motor. And the stock clutch is retarded, your allowing 3 link suspension, with trac bars, quickchange rearends, 2 speed richmond trannys, but you have to run a STOCK Clutch.. Makes no sense.

[TEDHEAD9292]

I would like to see what goes down after the first race, stock style ball joints. Who runs that stuff, haven't seen those on a sportsman in ten years or so everyone runs Howe low friction or the allstar with removable pin. And what about all the new cars that are being bulit,old late models with limited clips, I was told that the crossmember had to be stock; so I guess all those cars are out too. Bill it says that you can run your 7.25 just add 100 pounds, I think its worth it, just barely but worth it. Hopefully this will save saturday night racing in Fl but I doubt it, better payout would help but what do I know, see you at the races. Ted

[BILL86]

Ted I don't think its worth it running a 7 .5 clutch, first 100lbs is alot, and also losing 1% left side is huge. I hope the series takes off, but some of the rules are way outdated.

[VeaseyRacing]

I am going to try to run with the series, but it's going to be difficult.

The rules suggests that they are trying to keep the sportsman car from being high dollar. I agree that some of the rules are out there, especially if the part(s) is going to help with durability. Isn't that making the car last longer? Which in turn saves money?

Next is the tire purchase requirement. That is going to hurt a lot of people who race on a budget. The first race (beginning of the season) I will have to buy four tires. But I set my car up so I can run those same tires for 3-4 races. If the races are 50 laps, than a set of 4 will last me 2 races. It is going to kill my budget to buy 2 tires EVERY race. I am not going to throw money away by buying tires to run every race. I am sure that there are other sportsman cars that will have to do the same thing. The sportsman class is meant to be a budget class.

Overall, I am proud that someone has picked up a sportsman series to try and save the class. But, I am afraid that some of the cars are not going to show just because they can't afford your rules.

[Patrick Thomas 25]

They aren't saying you have to buy tires according to the rule, they are saying that is the max you can buy.

Patrick Thomas 25

[chassisdude]

Tire hardness

They aren't saying you have to buy tires according to the rule, they are saying that is the max you can buy.

Patrick Thomas 25

I tried to find the 650 and 459 on Hoosiers site but can't find those numbers, how hard are they and how many nights do you think you can run competitively on one set of tires. What would really help the racer is a hard tire that would last 5 to 6 weeks. Can't remember the # but like a 970 or 980 years ago and we could run 5 or 6 weeks ( fast dash, heat, 30 lap feature) and not lose a 2/10 a second. The purse is good if you don't have to buy two tires every week to be competitive. If you have to spend 200, 250 dollars every week then they should raise the purse with all the money they make on selling tires. Just my opinion.

[BILL86]

The Hoosier tires are wicked fast for 30 laps then drop off Bad.. You cant run the rights more than 2 weeks if your lucky. Most guys will buy new rights every race if not all four.. You leave the decision to the racer to buy tires or not, and most will just to be competative. Every track in the state runs soft Hoosier tires, I understand that the tracks need to make money,but there isnt a easy easy fix.. If they go to hard compound then they need to make somewhere else. Such as higher pit passes, entry fees ect. Pick your poison...

[chassisdude]

The Hoosier tires are wicked fast for 30 laps then drop off Bad.. You cant run the rights more than 2 weeks if your lucky. Most guys will buy new rights every race if not all four.. You leave the decision to the racer to buy tires or not, and most will just to be competative. Every track in the state runs soft Hoosier tires, I understand that the tracks need to make money,but there isnt a easy easy fix.. If they go to hard compound then they need to make somewhere else. Such as higher pit passes, entry fees ect. Pick your poison...

Bill that is why Fla. racing is slowly dying, all the promotors want to be tire sales man and make their money off of the racer, rather than the fans in the stands. I guess you guys don't see it like I do, but make it cheaper for the racer and more guys can run competatively which means more pit passes sold and with full fields of cars the fans will come back to see real racing, not 8, 10 or 12 cars for a feature. Really think about it for the net profit made in selling tires, if you get 3 or more teams showing up with a few crew members the promotor will make more money than selling the tires. Bill you been racing a long time now, think how many cars used to be in each class, now it is just getting to expensive, ( pit pass $30, buy fuel at track $?, pay for pit slab $?buy tires everyweek $$$?,$3 hot dogs, it seems like it never ends)fewer cars on the track means less people in the stands, tracks slowly closing up

[Don Nerone]

Bill that is why Fla. racing is slowly dying, all the promotors want to be tire sales man and make their money off of the racer, rather than the fans in the stands. I guess you guys don't see it like I do, but make it cheaper for the racer and more guys can run competatively which means more pit passes sold and with full fields of cars the fans will come back to see real racing, not 8, 10 or 12 cars for a feature. Really think about it for the net profit made in selling tires, if you get 3 or more teams showing up with a few crew members the promotor will make more money than selling the tires. Bill you been racing a long time now, think how many cars used to be in each class, now it is just getting to expensive, ( pit pass $30, buy fuel at track $?, pay for pit slab $?buy tires everyweek $$$?,$3 hot dogs, it seems like it never ends)fewer cars on the track means less people in the stands, tracks slowly closing up

Look at how uch Gas Milk Coffee Lumber and everything has gone up. The tracks havent gone up near as much as the dollar has gone down.
Its tough fo all the tracks north or south. The prices are not cheper in the north many tracks are closing north and south. Its the lack of jobs in the middle class that hurt racing.
Fans and drivers dont have the funds that they did and the sponsors are not going to help as long as the econmy is failing.
No jerry i cant spell..LOL

Don62

[chassisdude]

Look at how uch Gas Milk Coffee Lumber and everything has gone up. The tracks havent gone up near as much as the dollar has gone down.
Its tough fo all the tracks north or south. The prices are not cheper in the north many tracks are closing north and south. Its the lack of jobs in the middle class that hurt racing.
Fans and drivers dont have the funds that they did and the sponsors are not going to help as long as the econmy is failing.
No jerry i cant spell..LOL

Don62

Don so you are saying being the economy is bad, the middle class guy doesn't have the money he once had, you think it is a good idea for track owners and promotors to join in , get every penny they can out of that working or non-working middle class racer until he just has to put it on jack stands. I guess I'm just to thick to understand this racing mine set, but being stuborn, I still think my way would be better. Just my 2 cents

[Frasson118]

"bad economy" is just a cheap excuse for lazy promoters. Many tracks are doing just fine.

Also.... Chassisdude.... you're trying to make a point with a guy that used to BE a tire dealer. And his son still is. You're on the right track, but when the tracks figured out THEY could profit from tire & fuel sales, they put the screws to the racers. Not-so-long ago, a minimum tire & fuel purchase was unheard of, along with Entry Fees and Pit Slab fees. Racetracks are gouging the racers that support them. This problem is also MUCH worse at asphalt tracks than it is at dirt tracks.