Ignition box contradiction?

[Frasson118]

Thanks for the explanation Ricky. It sounded fishy, and it was. I couldn't see any reason to throw $2000 at racers than CAN'T buy their products, other than to get some people politicing in their corner.

Now Crane should step up and do some kind of contingency awards themselves. On the other hand, why would they... they have captive customers as it is.

[jacko241]

Barbara at Orlando Speedworld called me yesterday, inviting me to the 25 lap race Friday. She also told me that we do not have to run the Crane ignition system in the regular shows.

[Don Nerone]

As usual.... Don..... you missed the point.

Yep i missed it ok see if you get my point..
point..you dont have a car so stay out of it.
Ricky is not asking you to buy a box and that was my point.
Don62

[Jimmy McKinley]

She also told me that we do not have to run the Crane ignition system in the regular shows.

So, the Crane box only needs to be run in, what, the FUPS, or....? For "Regular Orlando SLM shows", it's not required, or what?

I know someone that sure don't have the 300 bucks to just throw into a race car mid-season, and they'd be happy to hear this....

[dd38]

It's $400.00 Jimmy. Or as Race Ready Parts sells it for $399.87.

[Jimmy McKinley]

It's $400.00 Jimmy. Or as Race Ready Parts sells it for $399.87.

Well, whatever. It's still a lot of $$$ that some people just don't have to throw into a car mid-season...

Why not implement this thing gradually over the rest of this year, then, make it "mandatory" for next season? "You have until the end of this year to run what ya already got, but have to have the new stuff for next season".

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Frasson118 View Post
As usual.... Don..... you missed the point.

Yep i missed it ok see if you get my point..
point..you dont have a car so stay out of it.
Ricky is not asking you to buy a box and that was my point.
Don62

I have followed the two threads with some interest but no input. But Don, I respect a lot of what you've done in the past. However, this attitude is just plain wrong. You need to go back and read the original post to this thread, which was started by Frasson. Just in case you're not able to, I'll try to give you an overview. He stated, according to Ricky Brooks, several tracks were going to Crane Ignition Systems, including Mobile Alabama. He then went on to state MSD was offering a $2000 bonus if the winner of the race won with their product. He wondered why a company would do that and why Mobile and Pennsacola were allowing MSD boxes.
That was all his post said. It asked questions that a lot of fans might want the answer to, just to satisfy their own curiosity. He didn't take a position or debate the merits at all. I know it's impossible for you to comprehend why "just a fan" should care about this. However, just try to accept the fact that ordinary fans are interested in more than just going to a track and watching the cars go around. Some go for the wrecks, others go because of a friendship, others for the sporting aspect, others go for the speed, others go for the technology, others to see the innovations, some may even go for the food and clean bathrooms. There are numerous reasons a fan may go to a track. There are numerous reasons, just an ordinary fan might be interested in what is being done to the cars including changes to the rules.
Hell for all you know, he's interested in the ignition system because he's building a super duper forklift and wants to know the merits of either system. I don't know if you was ever in touch with the people that support race tracks but you have certainly lost touch with them now. Thankfully, Mr. Brooks came on and gave him a simple answer to his question and didn't tell him to butt out.

[jacko241]

Jimmy, Barbara said that we did not have to run the Crane ignition in the regular shows, in other words, non Bright House Challenge. The FUPS already announced they are not requiring the Crane system. I would assume the Crane is required for other big races like the Governor's Cup and such.

[Don Nerone]

I have followed the two threads with some interest but no input. But Don, I respect a lot of what you've done in the past. However, this attitude is just plain wrong. You need to go back and read the original post to this thread, which was started by Frasson. Just in case you're not able to, I'll try to give you an overview. He stated, according to Ricky Brooks, several tracks were going to Crane Ignition Systems, including Mobile Alabama. He then went on to state MSD was offering a $2000 bonus if the winner of the race won with their product. He wondered why a company would do that and why Mobile and Pennsacola were allowing MSD boxes.
That was all his post said. It asked questions that a lot of fans might want the answer to, just to satisfy their own curiosity. He didn't take a position or debate the merits at all. I know it's impossible for you to comprehend why "just a fan" should care about this. However, just try to accept the fact that ordinary fans are interested in more than just going to a track and watching the cars go around. Some go for the wrecks, others go because of a friendship, others for the sporting aspect, others go for the speed, others go for the technology, others to see the innovations, some may even go for the food and clean bathrooms. There are numerous reasons a fan may go to a track. There are numerous reasons, just an ordinary fan might be interested in what is being done to the cars including changes to the rules.
Hell for all you know, he's interested in the ignition system because he's building a super duper forklift and wants to know the merits of either system. I don't know if you was ever in touch with the people that support race tracks but you have certainly lost touch with them now. Thankfully, Mr. Brooks came on and gave him a simple answer to his question and didn't tell him to butt out.

I dont think that any of the fans care what kind of box the cars have..I get the body ..some like stock and some like outlaw but the ing box come on. Jerry was trying to hent that it was a under the table deal with track or the teq man... How about it sucks that they changed a rule in the mid season. Or all of the tracks and not all the races at the same track have the rule. Just the ones that Brooks is working at. Now Jerry....If the cars come you like it and if they dont then it sucks!!
OK Winger i still didnt get it...
Don62

[Ricky Brooks]

Theres no deals under the table Don. Theres to many illegal boxes out there and I or no one else can tech so the only choice was a change and MSD had a chance to be apart of but chose not to.

[Winger]

I dont think that any of the fans care what kind of box the cars have..I get the body ..some like stock and some like outlaw but the ing box come on. Jerry was trying to hent that it was a under the table deal with track or the teq man... How about it sucks that they changed a rule in the mid season. Or all of the tracks and not all the races at the same track have the rule. Just the ones that Brooks is working at. Now Jerry....If the cars come you like it and if they dont then it sucks!!
OK Winger i still didnt get it...
Don62

You partially get it Don. I don't know what Jerry was thinking. Knowing Jerry somewhat, I think if he thought there was an under the table deal, he would have said so. You also know if he had said anything about a mid season change, etc., you would have said the same thing to him.
I have some very close friends in NY who would have been very interested in the ignition box deal. They're racers but not asphalt late model racers, and we traveled to races as fans usually. They raced a late model on dirt on Fridays. We would hit other tracks on Saturday and the rest of the week. You wouldn't believe some of the conversations they would have regarding anything race related, whether it was asphalt or dirt, whether it was relevant to the class they raced or not. Heck, I had a small track in back of my inlaws that I built for go karts and 4 wheelers. We'd be messing around out there and next thing you know, we're discussing something related to that and how it might transfer to cars. Mostly just for conversation, and maybe to learn something. They were just interested in information and how it might convert to something for them, and I was just trying to learn something new and maybe learn how it might convert to my racing quads.

[Winger]

Ricky, I haven't kept abreast of any of the technological changes in the electronics of cars since the days of the flatheads. Well maybe not that far back. Let me ask a question that may be really stupid. What is the purpose of these illegal boxes? Is it just to provide a "hotter spark" or is there a lot more to it? Just wondering. I know about the traction control dilemma but isn't that really a separate issue? Just wondering how hard it would be to build some sort of external rev limiter or spark control that could be completely sealed and installed between any ignition box and motor. Or even require a certain spark plug that couldn't take all the voltage the illegal boxes supply. Let anyone run what they want as long as they all have that installed also and everything has to go through it. If the traction control is part of the issue, then that couldn't be done. If I'm totally out to lunch, I'm sorry.

[Don Nerone]

Theres no deals under the table Don. Theres to many illegal boxes out there and I or no one else can tech so the only choice was a change and MSD had a chance to be apart of but chose not to.

I got it the first time Ricky. Rember im the guy that made all that money on them spec engines. are you gettting my checks now.
How much tire money and graft you getting ?
They would never beleave that you just make enough to pay for the fule and food to listen to them cry. That is part of the job. I just get peed when its a fan that thinks he is the deal cop and know it all .(he raced up north).
Went on for years and now i dont have to be quiet .
Good luck and hope it works out for you. Im not agenest anything you do.


Don62

[Jimmy McKinley]

So my next question is...

If you're running an MSD (or rather, a "non-Crane" box) for the "regular" Orlando shows (because you can't afford the $400 Crane box), are you then pretty much "forced" to sit out the BrightHouse races, the Governor's Cup, etc.?

[Ricky Brooks]

Don I never once said you were ever paid for any Spec motors. The Spec engines are a great idea as long as they are teched because they are people that will cheat them up and I'm not talking about the three builders that can build them. Jimmy as far as the boxes Barbara cant make that call and all races will be required to run Crane boxes after 7-1-12.