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Penaltys UPHELD!!!! Hendrick to appeal to the next level, so Chad will be at Bristol.
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They commited the crime, now do the time......André Fortin -
Bogus Inspection Process
"They commited the crime, now do the time......"
Andre, I think it's fair to ask the question "What crime?".
The 48 team presented their car for inspection pre-qualifying, pre-race. The car was deemed not to meet "NASCAR approval". The "violation" was in a real gray area, at least in my view. My understanding is that the C-pillar fit the template but NASCAR did not "like" the shape of the C-pillars fore and aft of the template fit point. Fair enough, I suppose. But, at that point in time why isn't the team told to fix the car rather than suffer the confiscation of parts, suspension of team members and a huge fine and points penalty?
In my view this is WAY bogus and really casts a bad light on NASCAR's credibility. The parts fit the template, therefore met the specs. This sort of crap has been happening for years. If the NASCAR inspectors didn't "like" the parts, so be it. But surely you don't penalize the racer at that point in time.
It's important to remember that the 48 team did not race or attempt to qualify the car with the unapproved parts . They simply presented the car for inspection. Nor was it a situation where they tried to sneak the parts through after they were told to fix it. There was no advantage gained that impacted other racers negatively or affected the outcome of an event and therefore NASCAR's credibility.
So at this point I'm thinking a reasonable man would be fair in asking "What crime?"
I sure as hell don't see one...Comment
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Last night on The Hub, Larry Mac said when NASCAR came out with the new body, every team was told that it was off limitss to alter it an any way. Under those rules it seems to me the only result can be guilty, however, does the punishment fit the crime. billyComment
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I think in this case you have to look at the perpetrator. He probably has a reserved spot in front of the NASCAR headquarters, as many times as he has been busted. I have to believe his past track record was taken into consideration, and I heard one of the officials ( I don't recall which one) say as much. I also believe that if we were intimately involved, we would know more that would lead us to feel that the penalty is deserved.Joe JacaloneComment
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Andre, I think it's fair to ask the question "What crime?".
Whatever crime NA$car says the're guilty of. Pretty hard to figure out all that Na$car stuff today.
One thing sure, they run their show the way they see fit ''for them'' .André FortinComment
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Well, to hear Chad tell it, they raced the same car (and C-Posts) in previous races - so I guess they did more than just present it.
His blatant attempts to cheat and have his driver cover them up (remember the conversation with Jimmie about banging the rear end into the wall if they won at talladega?) probably got him just what he deserved.Comment
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If you unloaded your new/or car at a local track(your favorite) and had to go to preinspection and was told your door would not work at that track for some reason. You would be allowed to go back to your pit and try to fix it. No Problem! If you were fined and lost points for that, you would never go back to that track. Am I right?
Nascar teams do not have the luxury of another track a few miles away. That is a problem.
I am no attorney, but, if this was tried in a court of law(lawsuit), nascar would lose on several fronts. There would be no question of it. Other side would be, that team would suffer from that time on.
Given the amount of money, the points, the suspensions, the best thing they can do is what they are doing. Right or wrong?Comment
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48 @ Daytona
The car was visually wrong,they saw the issue before they touched it with a
template.The golden rule is dont mess with the body,their are no Grey areas when it comes to the body.This is the second time around for messing with the body(Fenders at Sonoma I believe) I almost think that they are doing this on purpose to distract from something else.
So Chad repeat "I promise not to mess with the Body."
It must have really stood out after looking at all the other cars and that one was visually different,kinda like when narrowing the front ends got out of hand in the 70's and you had cars with odd shaped oval headlight openings.
Hey Dave do you have any pics of those cars in the archieves?
Oh and I believe Nascar deemed those modifications back then to be illegal also.
Just my .02 $sigpic
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No doubt Knaus/Johnson have earned themselves a bad rep with multiple incidents of wrongdoing. My point was more about NASCAR's procedures in general. The way I see , punishing the racer(whomver they may be)versus telling the racer to fix it is just bad wrong as a policy.Originally posted by bubba View Post
If the the car had indeed been run with those C-pillars previously then I'm thinking those parts had been "NASCAR approved" and therefore legal. But hey,what do I know, right?Comment
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Originally posted by Beach Bum View Post
If you get a rule book and read "the pre-race inspection is the presentation of the race car ready to race." I you want to present some to Nascar before a race you must do so at the R&D center in Concord,NC...this has been the way it has for years...THERE IS NO GREY AREA ON THE BODY period!!!!!!!!!
Ole 9 time would be canned if it was a real job....yes 9 time Chad Knauss, that is how many time he has been caught cheating...
If this was not a body issue Nascar has pulled cars out of line such as the ride height being an 1/8 off or small things of that nature...but NOT THE BODY!!Comment
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Just Wonderin
Seems to me if they passed all inspections last year with same car and C Posts which were never change for 2012 at Dega And DIS, Why is it illigal
this year?? Sorry on spellingComment
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IF you ain't cheatin........you ain't winnin!!!!!!!!
One of the reasons Knaus has been caught 9 times is because his car is ALWAYS in victory Lane and is gone over inch by inch, part by part on pretty much a weekly basis......
I work for a guy who once worked at the R&D center for NASCAR........he basically told me that NASCAR will do what ever they want to , to whoever they want to to appease an agenda.......I am not saying it is the WWE but....
NAscar needs some new blood at the top.......they also need to create some new good vs. evil scenarios, some conspiracy theories and some hype. Johnson and Knaus are this years victims........
THey said they ran this car last year.......NASCAR probably already knew about the C- Pillars and just waited for Daytona to create hype.......they did the same thing when Waltrip got busted for the stuff in his manifold.......they knew about it the previous year........they just need a media frenzy to kick off Speedweeks.......
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So Fred in your job if you got caught stealing (cheating) same thing, because if you cheat you are stealing from a competitor that is not, would you still have a job?Originally posted by fred23 View Post
They (EVERY TEAM) in that garage brings a new cars to Daytona EVERY YEAR!!! this was not last years car...I have a good friend that works for Hendrick and some of the things that Knauss does the team he works on would not even touch....
So Fred do you race and if so you have to cheat to beat anyone?Comment
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Southern.......first of all, don't take things so literal.......stealing IS NOT cheating.......NASCAR is not the real world, they play by their own rules......
cheating in Nascar or racing is stretching the rules or playing in the gray area's of the rule book......the biggest problem with racing today is that there is no innovation allowed......who could build the best mousetrap was ...to me.....one of the best parts of what racing used to be.......my dad and grand dad used to build their cars and engines back in the day......my grandfather used to experiment building his own manifolds and such......I have also talked to numerous racers that "cheated" the rules where there was no black and white answer.......bodies, motors, fuel, tires, etc......
Yes I have been a racer, my dad still is a racer and yes I had an illegal motor or two in my day but that was for cost reasons and it didn't really help me win because I am more of a wheel holder than driver.......
IF you want to completely take out what innovation is left, if any, take the crew chiefs and teams out of it and have NASCAR bring 43 identical cars to the track and have the drivers pick a number and race.........oh ya, they tried that.......IROC
Racing is a team sport as much as people hate to hear it......the crew has just about as much to do with winning as the driver at most tracks.......there are drivers that are better than others but don't think for a minute half the guys that run in the pack for smalleer teams couldn't run up front for Roush or hendricks ......Comment
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