Keeping Up with the Joneses....

[Frasson118]

Mr Dunn is making my point for me. If you call Howe, or whoever, there may be very minor differences in how things are built to accommodate whatever engine package you have, but it's not entirely a different car. More or less, there are 2 choices.... Late Model (full tubular chassis) or a Limited (Stock clip). If you take your tubular chassis, and stick a Crate in it, you have a Crate Late Model.... If you stick a 700 HP McGunegill in it, you have a Super.

Mr Dunn, you own a Crate car..... Not a Limited ( because of chassis design), and you don't have a Super (because of engine).

Has there ever been an occasion that maybe you interpreted something wrong, or are the other people always idiots? You ain't perfect chief.

Dave..... Sorry about the hijack.......

[Frasson118]

East Bay Sprint racer Danny Jones

[Rick Williamson]

I have no idea if it's motor or chasy that makes slm's. But what I would like to know is, is this kid really is 15. And he's been racing this kind of car for two years? Why was he allowed in this size car at 13? That's way to young in my opion!

[mr south 59]

I can take my car to any super late model race just the way it sits today and race it and I will be legal with on weight pentalitys or changes what so ever. So why aint it a super??? Tell me that Jerry? If it weren't a legal super than why do they let me run????

I am pretty sure that you could put a super motor in a mini cup car and it would not be a super. Why? Because it ain't a super chassis. The motor don't make it a super.

If you take a LLM motor and put it in a super chassis, it ain't legal in LLM with out a weight penalty??? Why??? because it is a super chassis not an LLM chassis.

If I have a super chassis and I put a super motor in it that is crap and only puts out 425hp is it still a super???? Sure it is. It don't matter how much HP it has.

If I enter a super race with a super chassis and I have a crate in it and I win. Did I win a super race or a crate race.

Jerry. You are saying that I don't have a super. If I put a 390 or a 750 on my car than I got a legal super. Nothing has changed on the car except the carb. If we won would it be a win in our first start in a super. Nothing has change on the car except a few extra hp just like Jones car. For me it is hard to say that somebody won in their second race when they have over 40 starts in the same car with just a few less hp. Nothing really changed except a little hp.

And Jerry. I can go out to my shop and wrench on my super all I want. I might not be perfect but I do have a super. What do you got? You got a LLM(stock front clip) or you got a Super( fab front clip) or do you just have a general admission ticket? I guess if you ever owned one you would know.

[Rick Williamson]

Oh and getting back to the tread. Jeff Jones.

[Frasson118]

Once again, you just don't get it. Don't forget, it was you bitching that your car can't keep up with the bigger motor cars. Was that because of chassis (which is basically the same as all your competition) or because of motor (yours is lower HP than the others)?

If it's all the same, why don't you bring it on to the bigger tracks? The answer is that your CRATE will not keep up with a SUPER on the bigger tracks. Same chassis, different motor.

Just because your car has been allowed into the same shows as the Supers, doesn't make yours one.

Look at it this way.... you can bring a knife to a gunfight, but you can't take a gun to a knife fight.

[Frasson118]

Have you ever been wrong? Or even mistaken?




Nope... didn't think so.

[Frasson118]

How about Tallahassee's Harvey Jones. I think he ran in 6 different decades, and raced into his '70's. I seem to remember an upcoming Memorial race for Harvey, but can't recall the details.

[RSB]

Not that it makes a difference but....

Once again, you just don't get it. Don't forget, it was you bitching that your car can't keep up with the bigger motor cars. Was that because of chassis (which is basically the same as all your competition) or because of motor (yours is lower HP than the others)?

If it's all the same, why don't you bring it on to the bigger tracks? The answer is that your CRATE will not keep up with a SUPER on the bigger tracks. Same chassis, different motor.

Just because your car has been allowed into the same shows as the Supers, doesn't make yours one.

Look at it this way.... you can bring a knife to a gunfight, but you can't take a gun to a knife fight.

......I concur. 2 against 1, we win!!

[oneoff]

DeLand's own Bill Jones.

[dd38]

In FASCAR you can run a tube clip in LLM. But they call it a Late model. And Rick, If memory serves me correct, B.J. McLeod was either 13 or 14 when he startes running Supers at Orlando. The car Sean Bass runs is a "Super" chassis with a crate engine and it runs pretty sporty against "Supers" with "Super" engines.

[Frasson118]

Correct Dave. BJ McLeod was 13..... as were both Sport Allen and Jeff Gordon.

Although some of these young starters turned out to be pretty talented, I'm still no big fan of young kids in full sized racecars.

One other thing... Erik Jones was actually 14 when he started racing in a Crate car at Speedweeks of last year (2010).

[Frasson118]

How about 1940'ish musician/entertainer Spike Jones (think kazoos and crazy whistles). He didn't race himself, but he owned and sponsored several Midgets on the West Coast just after WWII.

[palmbayer]

Clayton, Ga.'s Jabe Jones....former Hooters/ ARCA Driver....

He now runs EVERY CLASS using a super late model power plant,with a mini stock chassis and an abc type "83" El Camino body on 70 series DOT tires.

[oneoff]

Palm you just ain't right! LOL!!!