Bronson Speedway Open Wheel Modified Rules

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Thanks Canedog

for bringing up the issue..... How was the track .....any improvements?

[Benny The Mule]

I've been saying lose the radios since they started being used. Look at what is in FRONT of you and drivers to the rear need to RE-LEARN the fact that they do NOT have the lane unless their bumper is at the other car's A post! Radios are an excuse for lack of talent, and don't blame Hans devise (re read if necessary.)

Besides......a spotter cannot react in near enough time for a track that small other than to tell a driver he is being run down and to BLOCK.

I've raced that track, you are out of one turn and already going into the next before your spotter (cough cough) can say "clear low"!

[canedogs06]

First let me say that I haven't driven at bronson since the sara latemodel days and local l limited late model days about 11 years ago. They have made very nice improvements to the stands, and other aspects of the facility. As to be expected there is zero rubber on the track. So with that and the hot temps it wass quite slick. I did learn that a 6.63 gear like I have run at auburndale turns way too many rpms. I have allways loved bronson so regardless of the radio rule I will show up for the first race excited as allways and take it from there.
Brian hutcheson

[canedogs06]

oh yeah one more thing. Im 29 and i think half of the fun for my dad at the track is still being able to yell at me over the radio .

[RSB]

I've been saying lose the radios since they started being used. Look at what is in FRONT of you and drivers to the rear need to RE-LEARN the fact that they do NOT have the lane unless their bumper is at the other car's A post! Radios are an excuse for lack of talent, and don't blame Hans devise (re read if necessary.)

Besides......a spotter cannot react in near enough time for a track that small other than to tell a driver he is being run down and to BLOCK.

I've raced that track, you are out of one turn and already going into the next before your spotter (cough cough) can say "clear low"!

B.M.(no offense..LOL), that's exactly what I was thinking. The track is so small, it seems a radio would be useless anyway, unless you wanted to know who was behind you, who spun you, or what lap you're on, etc... Only been in a mod once but can't you HEAR someone when they're trying to get under you? At that point, can't you turn your head to the left enough to see their right front tire?

[andre]

Radios should be banned from all short track racing. Beside, the ''BEST of the BEST'' short track racing DO NOT use radios: Dirt Super Late Model, Dirt 410 Sprint cars, Northeastern BB and SB Modified, IMCA Mod, & so on.

Radios leaked into short track racing from the BIG Sunday racing show shown on National TV. When some big $ racers saw those, like everything else, that had to have it, and from there, it spreaded to the 4 corners of short track racing. More expenses, and add absolutly zit to the show.

And as far as saving crashes, it probably cause 4 to save 1.

[ancrdave]

In regards to radios, I've never driven a car in actual competition but have been to a lot of races in the past 50+ years... Radios weren't used back in the 60s-70s and there were much bigger fields of cars... NASCAR did not use them back then and there are more crashes today than there were back then... I do agree they are a great safety factor especially now that most drivers (I hope) are using a Hans and the cockpits have gotten so small and tight... I'm just wondering... what is the cost of a good set of radios nowadays?

If you have any questions or beefs with the rules, contact Bronson's Race Director Mike Odwazny at the track... The phone number is 352-486-4998 and his e-mail is intenseracing51@yahoo.com...

[UREZ2PASS]

The cost of a pair of radios is alot less than replacing one bent front clip. If all the spotter has time to say when cars are crashing ahead is go high, go low, or stop, it helps prevent damage to your racecar.

[Winger]

The cost of a pair of radios is alot less than replacing one bent front clip. If all the spotter has time to say when cars are crashing ahead is go high, go low, or stop, it helps prevent damage to your racecar.

Raceceivers are cheaper yet and everyone hears about the crash at the same time. There are other advantages to the raceceiver system that have been mentioned before.
I agree that radios seem to bring blocking to the race. One of the better moves made in the north east was taking away the radios in the short events. It helped prevent blocking and actually may have prevented wrecks caused by trying to block.

[UREZ2PASS]

Raceceivers are cheaper yet and everyone hears about the crash at the same time. There are other advantages to the raceceiver system that have been mentioned before.
I agree that radios seem to bring blocking to the race. One of the better moves made in the north east was taking away the radios in the short events. It helped prevent blocking and actually may have prevented wrecks caused by trying to block.

I like raceceivers also, they do help keep confusion down on lineups. I'll accept the possibility of blocking instead of destroying racecars. Don't get me wrong, as a fan I enjoy crashes, as a car owner I avoid them like the plague. If the purse was $10,000 we would destroy a car a week, at $250-$500, it ain't gonna happen. We are not footing the bill for a good show, racing is a hobby for us and with todays purses nobody can make a career in shorttrack racing as a driver or car owner.

[Iwyn]

Radio debate and my 2 cents worth

I have driven race cars over 35 years both with and without radios and I agree with Benny 100% as they are mostly worthless and the fastest, quickest short track race cars in the country are not allowed to use them. Race receivers are very handy in helping get cars lined correctly for starts but seldom otherwise as they are mostly too slow at responding to on track incidents which is the same for spotters. More race tracks run without them than do with them. Short track spotters can not react on a radio as fast as a competent driver does in the driver's seat. Do to this racers are already in a wreck or such when they hear the spotter even say anything about it and only very experienced and calm spotters react that quick. Most spotters are way to slow on reacting correctly when an emergency incident comes up. A good driver knows and feels where their competition is and does not need a radio to tell them. If you do not know and feel that you need to do something else for your race related activities. That driver also does not put their car in positions of not having options of avoiding most crashes. That is another reason they are there at the finish in most races. Being a good driver is a natural in born talent to situations, timing, reactions, decisions, implementation and seldom ever a learned talent. You either have it or you do not and many need to face up to that fact and quit looking for all the crutches. That is the reason the same drivers generally run in front at the finish and the others are in the back or crashed out. If you watch the same drivers and cars are often involved in 90% of the crashes. DUH! Maybe a lot of the drivers wanting the radios so badly need to step out as they generally do not have what is required to be a good driver and put someone in the car that has the natural talents. Most times only 3 out of every 10 drivers in a race have the required ability to do it good and the others are just wannabes. You only need to see and know what is going on in front of you and not behind you. That is history behind you. If the one behind you does not have a radio and knows you do not then things they do on the track are different as is the same running without mirrors too ! You drive differently when no one has radios or mirrors. Those not thinking so as I mentioned just do not have the natural talent required. The one behind you needs to do the same. Maybe some trying to be drivers have not realized that yet. I have never had a spotter be able to tell me before I knew something was happening in front of me and I have definitely won my share of races and championships. If you need that then you need to get a better view by the on track location of your car or the position the driver is setting in the race car and not laying down like in their bed. I have also spent some time among the spotters and have seen often what is said and done there too. My experiences has been finding them best used for having time for spotters help to block a racer far more often than having time to react and give good advice before and during an emergency situation on short tracks. Good luck to those still needing radios. It is kind of like smoking that you can not live without them when hooked on them but once you quit using such you wonder why it took you so long to do so ! It is an ill acquired habit not needed for the talented and drastically hindering anyone trying to fine tune their attention and talent ! Be advised the blind can be a great teacher if you let them show you the use of born in talent. I assure you they know where something is around them as they Feel It !

[FLMOD12]

So what tires are they going to use?Slicks or treads What brand of tires will be used? Hoosiers, Goodyears, American Racers, what?

[UREZ2PASS]

I guess all the non- talented driver's should just quit and take up video games. Then you would have a three car talented driver race. We think we are talented enough to race without radios but as explained, we need to watch out for the other non-talented drivers. Good points made but not practical to the checkbook to get everyone up to the few talented drivers skill level.

Our super and modified will not race without radios because we are allergic to tow trucks.

[MW68SS]

Explain one example where radio's would save a car from wrecking especially on a little bull ring like Bronson. If you can race a Dirt Late Model and Sprint without a radio then I don't see what is the point of having them.
As for the modified rules why wouldn't they just say "Same as Citrus" and keep it easy. Do you know that a Dirt Late Model in North Carolina is the same Dirt Late Model at East Bay and everywhere in between. Why do track owners try there best to make it difficult on themselves.

[UREZ2PASS]

Spotter - go low
Driver - misses spinning car

Spotter - go high
Driver - misses debris or oil on track

Spotter - stop
Driver - misses streaking naked Obama supporter, OK, radio caused missed opportunity.

So I can get out of this debate, I agree no radios.