slicks on mods?

[Tim]

I'll go ahead and give you his excuse for the Super...spec motors...again another economical decision made for a class. Always an excuse not to race or a reason to lose...Dave just go race...your better than this....I believe that!

[dibbs7j]

don't have a dog in this fight but........brp had 30 mods show up to run on dirt for a regular show. big, loud, taxi cab it didn't matter they all RACED and put on a show for the FANS!!!!!! just my opinion....... everyone has one.

[timesplitter]

5/14 11 - citrus had 21 mods on 8 inch hoosier groved tires for a regular show . punta gorda also gets close to that number each race . yes theres quite a few that would like to be back on slicks but that doesnt stop us from racing . no way ! maybe theres other issues keeping cars away .

[dd38]

EZ which one is your car?? Use your Real name SO i CAN CONNECT THE DOTS. The e-mod class is fine. And like I said before I am just tired of keeping up with the Jones's. If I had no engine I'd probably build one. The point of the post is the tires.

Luis. You posted stats from 2010. Did you notice on 5-21 and the drop after that? What about 2009? That's when they changed the tires (5-21). That's the last race we run and we won it (JOSLIN race). If you want to buy some Airplane tires for my car I'll run it this Friday. It's sitting there ready to go. BUT I AM NOT BUYING ANY OF THOSE THINGS!! I didn't realize that the e-mods run rice burner engines (toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc).

Tim, WHOEVER YOU ARE? I'm glad you know so much about me for me not to know you. Let's get one thing strait right now. I WAS NOT AGAINST STARTING THE E-MOD CLASS!!! WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR ME!!!!! Do you have a Modified??? Probably not. Probably not even a car. Just another spectator racer!

Rusty was just throwing a idea out there and I thinks it makes sense. I'm for it. To cut down on teams buying new ones, put a depth rule on them. I've got another idea but I'm not going to mention it on here. If a track official wants to hear it i"ll tell them.

As far as the Super, and again WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR ME!!!! That is a concept that was good until FASCAR and some of the other tracks ruined it. Yes my car is underpowered (against a "Spec" engine). I'm not going to go race unless it has a remote chance to win (i'm not a Bruce Everett, may he rest in peace, or someone who is content just riding around making laps and getting in the way). That is certainly obvious at NSS. I have a decent engine for what it is (and it was 1 of 3 engines only allowed back then. Now it's 1 of 4), except it is not compatable to a "Spec" engine. It was initially. Answer this Tim. why do the "Spec" engines get to run a 750 (and I use 750 loosely) carb during the regular year and twice a year they have to run a 390 carb (Speedweek and Governors Cup)? There is definately a performance difference if you know anything. I've seen it on the Dyno.They were suppose to run a 390 from the beginning, ALL THE TIME (can't wait for your answer on this). And why does the FUPS Series make them run a Governor plate? Must be something to it. Maybe Rusty can weigh in on this since he has been around a Dyno a lot. The "Spec" engine is a stroker also. Not a 350. What happened? And when has the tracks ever tore one down to check it? Any track. Yea it is a economical engine, but I cannot plunk down $15, 16, 17 grand , or whatever the price is this week, to buy one. Plus at the time I was dedicated to my engine builder (friends since 1976) and I couldn't come up with a reason to give my money to a total stranger, all because he wasn't a approved builder. I rather put food on his table instead of a total strangers. But that don't matter since he is no longer with us anymore. Also a "Spec" engine means it has to be built to specific rules. So anyone should be allowed to build one, as long as it meets the "Spec's" and the person would be willing to tear it down. As far as a "Spec" engine, every class has a "Spec" engine because they are built to the class rules/SPEC's. So why in the Late Models are there are only approved builders when other classes don't (Super Stock, Street Stock, Sportsman, Mini Stock, etc). I'll just have my own private Museum. It is available "By Appointment Only". Free admission.

[fred23]

First of all, Dave is right......you are all missing the point of the thread. I think there should be more of a difference in the mods and the e mods......the tire is the biggest problem.......Put the big mods on bigger tires and let them run whatever shocks , transmission etc they want.......I would still like to see them go to the SK mod rules and chassis' but they definately are horrible to watch race with those tires.
As for the treaded tires.......and this is going by what we have seen at NSS, haven't raced them anywhere else yet......THEY SUCK!!!! They were meant to last longer, be cheaper an new ones weren't supposed to be that much better.......WRONG!!!!!!They can only go so fast, Now I can see using them on the emods to help differentiate from the big mods but for the big mods or the sportsman, they suck( we do have an emod)........they are junk in the second week, you can't really soak them and the cars are a second or more slower. When the sportsman were running the 10 inch slicks, we would get take offs from the late model guys and left side tires out of the junk pile, soak them and get 4 more weeks out of them....now we have to buy new tires and they last 3 weeks tops and really suck the third week. We have won the sportsman champioship 2 years in a row and probably did not buy more than 8 new tires over the two year span and that was two at a time. Now there are no take offs, people are still buying new tires every week (that will always happen until they inplement a one tire a week rule for local classes) and we HAVE to buy new tires or just not race.
Now at smaller tracks it may not be such a big deal but I still think the big mods should run the 10 slicks and whatever you have and leave the emods on the treaded tires......change the sportsman back PLEASE!!!!!!

[rusty47711]

dave
as far as the engine restrictors go on the spec motors i think and let me make sure everyone understands THIS IS MY OPINION that for the health of weekly late model racing tracks are going to have to combine pro, limited, and supers and come up with rules such as the f-up series. don't get me wrong i love the supers, even though i think they should be like the outlaw cars up north 1 carb, tread width and 3 body rules,but to see full fields of cars something will have to be changed.

fred
we were one of the cars wanting to go to the 8 inch tires on the sportsman cars but we were also told they would last half of a season which we all know did not happed. i've heard that the set up on the car has to be changed for these tires. that is crap it's hard to take a good handling winning car and change the set up! we were all just sold a tire that has not lived up to expectations or done what we were told it would do!

give me acouple of weeks i can't get a open motor mod but i might put a set of 10 inch slicks on an e-mod just to see how much faster they are.

[dd38]

Rusty, I may try it in a week or 2 if I can come up with a decent set. The ones I have are a little old. I understand about the restrictions on the engines, but they don't do that during regular weekly shows. They have 2 classes, remember. It's just the series, FUPS, or special events they run the combined stuff. So how much difference have you seen on a "Spec" engine on a 750 vs. a 390? Want to see if we are on the same page # wise.

[openwm53]

Hmm

Slicks again huh..... I have made every citrus race and yes they did have 21 cars the other week. I also raced at P.G. almost every race this year. Citrus has a great car count and I think 15 is the smallest field this year. The biggest field that P.G. has had is I think 14. And its growing... What people here have failed to state was P.G. is on slicks........goodyear 8" Citrus has been discussing slicks as well. This grooved tire wich i like to call a ( trailor tire ) but I like airplane too... Has not been what was promised. they were supposed to save us money. They were supposed to be cheaper and last longer. All i will say to that is strap on your three race tires and come run us at citrus. Im willing to bet even if your fast you will be a few tenths off. I personally want to try my hand at fascar tracks and eventually will. I love the idea of 10" slicks but not sure if our stock spindles can handle them at those speeds and G's. I dont no. The E mod class may be a great class..........actually what the mods were designed for ECONOMY. But they also are just another change in rules ...motors ECT. Make all open wheel modifieds the same engine rule...chassis rule..and tire rule and then the teams could actually afford or at least make it easy to come to different tracks.....JMO

[23ny]

Ware Did Anyone Get That Mods Were Econ Card They Are The Oldest Class In Nascrap And Never Ment To Be Cheap The Rar And Ment To Be All Out Race Cars Nothing Elce They Need To Be On Slicke Wether It Be 8 ,10 Or 14's Mods Are Racecars Now If You Want To Have A Emod Class Ok That Can Be A Starting Point For Some One But For The Fans And The Racer We Want Real Ground Powing Mids The Real Thing Will Only Do So Lets Get It Right Mods On Slicks They Are Better And Last Longer If You Work On Your Car And Geting It Working Right That Is The Fun Of This Whole Thing Is Working It To Get It Better To Win And Show Off Your Hard Work
That Is All I Have To Say Let Them Race For Real!!!!

[openwm53]

Imca

mods were created for the budget racers who wanted a fully adjustable car ( real racecar) and were ran on a harder compound slick

[openwm53]

The emods outnumber the mods 2 to 1, if not more. Something must be working. Good job FASCAR for allowing a purpose built racecar with a economical motor. That's where the dollars are saved. I don't care who builds a modified, when you add up the parts the bottom line will be close. Running racing parts instead of streetcar crap saves money in the long run. The emods are a success. Get over it.

Maybe at fascar tracks were else do they run??

[Winger]

Ware Did Anyone Get That Mods Were Econ Card They Are The Oldest Class In Nascrap And Never Ment To Be Cheap The Rar And Ment To Be All Out Race Cars Nothing Elce They Need To Be On Slicke Wether It Be 8 ,10 Or 14's Mods Are Racecars Now If You Want To Have A Emod Class Ok That Can Be A Starting Point For Some One But For The Fans And The Racer We Want Real Ground Powing Mids The Real Thing Will Only Do So Lets Get It Right Mods On Slicks They Are Better And Last Longer If You Work On Your Car And Geting It Working Right That Is The Fun Of This Whole Thing Is Working It To Get It Better To Win And Show Off Your Hard Work
That Is All I Have To Say Let Them Race For Real!!!!

23NY, In the northeast mods were built to be all out race cars. They still are. In most of the country the mods are different and are really not the same beast that you're probably familiar with. I'd love to see the "tour" type modifieds in Florida but there are already too many classes here. Now they've added the e-mods to dilute it more. Something will have to give someday. Really the decision does need to be made to determine if they should be "all out race cars" or an "economy class".

[UREZ2PASS]

Maybe at fascar tracks were else do they run??

Well duh, it's a FASCAR class. It's FASCAR's idea, FASCAR's tracks, so I guess if someone wants to race an emod they will have to come to a FASCAR track. It's not for everyone across the country or even the state of Florida. It's a FASCAR concept and it's successful.

I hope they give the slicks back to the modifieds. The bigger the better.

[23ny]

I am for all out racecar they are much better to watch then supers ,but that is just how I feel and it is cheper to make body panel then have to got get them from 5 star not that i am saying mod's are cheaper just easer to make parts plus all the cars don't look the same not all white or black cars like it is with thr ABC bodys I guess you can say I want my mods with big moters and fast....

[Winger]

Well duh, it's a FASCAR class. It's FASCAR's idea, FASCAR's tracks, so I guess if someone wants to race an emod they will have to come to a FASCAR track. It's not for everyone across the country or even the state of Florida. It's a FASCAR concept and it's successful.

I hope they give the slicks back to the modifieds. The bigger the better.

Nice polite answer to a legitimate question. Actually, NFS started the class last year, before FASCAR, but that is dirt. I really don't think it can be called a FASCAR concept. It doesn't really seem to be a new concept. Maybe a step back. A lot of so called "crate" and "spec" motor classes around the country have been started for the same reason. They seem to have problems with costs now also. Over the years I've heard this type of class called a "B" class, sportsman, 358, crate, and more across the country in modifieds. Really not a new concept, just a new name and attempt to curb costs.