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    Sheesh.

    1) This place is like a bad train wreck. I can't stay away.

    2) Tunafish is...entertainment.

    3) Bring back a handicapping system, heat races, fast guys in the back. We used to start in the back of a 24-plus Late Model field nearly every week, come from the back in 25 laps, and run up front - or win - $1,000 every week.

    4) Why do a lot of short tracks *refuse* to put on a SHOW? The fans come to be entertained, not bored to death with eighteen divisions of four cars each. "Our track had 200 cars in the pits last night!" "Yeah, and twenty-five divisions of cars."

    5) Put good food in your concession stand.

    6) NA$CAR sucks. My oldest daughter and her husband scored tickets to the "All-Star" wanna-be race Saturday. I told her, "Don't forget where you came from, you better go and support your local track (in Virginia)." I used to take her and her brother to the races all the time with me, now she's brainwashed like Tuna with this punky kid, and her husband is just as bad - a Carl Edwards fan...LOL...

    7) BRING BACK REAL FIGURE-8 RACING. Not these winged Sprint-car/dirt Late Model wanna-be's, but a REAL Strictly Stock/Super Stock type car, with four door bars on both sides of the cage.

    8) Strictly Stock *is* (or will be) the future of short track racing. Large fields, (mostly) STOCK cars, fairly cheap. Up here in Ohio, we have "Factory Fours": knock the glass/lights out, basic cage and safety equipment, all automatic transmissions. We've got Mitsubishi Eclipses, Nissan Sentras, Dodge Neons, the older Toyota Camrys, even a Volkswagen GTi and a few Ford Escorts - more like what the Mini Stock class *used* to be. Not these four-cylinder Late Models. And they're the largest fields of cars.

    9) NA$CAR still sucks: When NA$CAR runs a Saturday-night race, a lot of fans will stay home to watch it on TV. If you're a track owner, and worried about it, why not have a few big-screens down by the concession stand/beer garden, fans can check in to the "big boys" in between Strictly Stocks and Legends.

    10) NA$CAR really sucks: Take the Trucks back to the short tracks. Those were the BEST Truck races in the early seasons. Let 'em run Daytona, maybe Charlotte, like the old Late Model Sportsman days, but put the majority of the races back on the short tracks.

    11) NA$CAR sucks even more: instead of making the drivers declare what series they want to get points in, limit the Cup guys - and even the Cup-affiliated teams - to like six or eight races in the other two major series. Don't schedule the lower two series at the same track on the same weekend; make 'em further apart so it's harder for the Cup guys to make it between races. Let the Nationwide and Truck series re-establish their own identities again. A Nationwide "regular" (if there is such a thing any more) has yet to win, or even score a top-five because of guys like Carl Busch and Kyle Edwards.

    12) If NA$CAR does run a Saturday night race, and you're a track owner worried about it (losing fans staying home), why not run a Sunday-afternoon show?

    13) Why are there no "specials" throughout the season any more? Used to be, there was a Memorial day 100-lapper, a 4th of July or mid-season double points special, a Labor Day 50-lapper, and an end-of-the-seaon deal with double points before everyone got ready for the Governor's Cup.

    14) Move the Governor's Cup back to its early November date, after all of the other tracks' seasons are done. Put it back on Sunday afternoon.

    15) Bring back a TRUE Triple Crown weekend, with three different tracks in three days. Friday: 100-lapper at Bronson. Saturday: bring back the Gulf Coast Classic 100 at Punta Gorda. Then haul-ass back up I-75/I-4 to New Smyrna for the 200 on Sunday. Bring back the infield scoring/scorers since the damn scoreboard don't hardly ever work (either one of 'em). Run heat/qualifying races (no boring time trials), again with the fast guys in the back.

    16) Four or five classes MAX, with Late Models on a weekly basis.

    17) Open-comp Late Models. 10" tires, 400-cid max, wedge bodies, 40" spoiler, and four fenders. Minimum wight rule, minimum roll cage thickness/diameter. Those are the only rules.

    18) Get rid of the ABC bodies. $200-300 for a few aluminum sheets vs $900 for the fiberglass.

    19) Put on a show with dirt Late Models on pavement. I know Punta Gorda tried it, and it seemed to work pretty good.

    20) With the Governor's Cup race now in early November, put the Orange Blossom race back on New Year's weekend, after the Snowball.

    21) It seems the majority of members here - not *all*, but the majority - are either Orlando or New Smyrna racers/fans. Anyone here from up in the northern part of the state (Pensacola, Lake City, etc.)?

    22) Why don't different tracks have the same rules for the same type of classes? For example, two tracks run very similar rules for say, Super Stocks/Street Stocks/Hobby Stocks. But track A allows aftermarket A-frames, but track B says stock. Why can't they all just get along?

    Feel free to discuss

  • #2
    Citrus has pure stock figure 8s sometimes,pics on Wingers website April 16.

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    • #3
      At Citrus:

      Once a month street stock figure 8's, bigger than the pro figure 8's all ready, and much better racing.

      Top three from the previous week must start last in the features at Citrus also.

      Most of our night are 5-6 classes, 7 is our worst night.

      So we've got a few of them right Jimmy!

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      • #4
        I agree with much that you say Jimmy. I use to be a pretty big Nascar fan and I'd tape the races so I could watch them later if I was at a local race. Now, I will have the TV on but don't really have much interest in it. I can't really pinpoint why either. Maybe it's just age.
        John, Citrus rarely has less than 6 classes a night. In just a few weeks you have 8 divisions lined up and one of those is the antiques which normally adds another couple to the show. 4 a night of real full sized race cars is enough. The karts, mini-cups, and other small cars bring revenue to the back gate but, I know for a fact it costs you front gate revenue. I'm sure you make more on the back gate than you lose on the front, and that's part of the problem with the "entertainment". I agree that Citrus probably has the best asphalt show in Florida but it could be much more.
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        • #5
          Mr. Professor

          Jimmy, sounds like most everything to do with racing sucks in your mind and you have the answer to it all. Guess thats why you're the professor!!

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          • #6
            We run 4 regular classes each night Bob, then a figure 8 race, and one traveling series. We've only had 2 nights of 7 or more divisons all year and one night of 5 classes, all the rest were 6.

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            • #7
              I like alot of Jimmy's observations, but my favorite three are, #3, #13 and #22!!!
              Ricky Smallwood

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              • #8
                How Much?

                1.To run a Triple Crown weekend? I don't see that ever happening again. The tire bill alone would be outrageous, not to mention the fuel, entry fees, food for the team, etc.

                2. I agree NASCRAP has become a joke...more of a soap opera than true racing. Now they are about to go to some of the most boring tracks ever built such as Pocono, Michigan, Loudon, and both road courses. I would rather see them back at North Wilkesboro, Hickory, Greenville-Pickens, but that is too "low class" for modern NASCRAP fans.

                3. You don't see many Lake City fans on here because, while they enjoy racing, they live for hunting season and Gator football. Everything else comes 2nd. I mean this in a good way, but they aren't the type to post to many message boards. They just don't take it that seriously.

                4. And lastly, don't put dirt cars on pavement.....just GO TO YOUR LOCAL DIRT TRACK!!! Unfortunately, the last asphalt race I saw was the Hooters Pro Cup race at New Smyrna that was about a 650 lap, 6 hour follow the leader race. I would have MUCh rather have stayed home and watched Lifetime for Women with my wife!

                My best suggestion....GO TO YOUR LOCAL DIRT TRACK!!!!! The mini-stock races at Eastbay are better than 95% of Super-Lates I have seen over the past 5 years. After working on the Dirt side of things, it's extremely hard to watch any asphalt racing. Excruciatingly slow shows.
                Scott McAllister
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                352.804.0078 – Direct

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                • #9
                  ScottyMac, I agree....and disagree.

                  You are correct that the Hooters race at New Smyrna was a disaster. I love pavement racing, but I was bored out of my skull with that one. Too bad you missed the twin 100 lappers with the ACT cars during the World Series. There is no way a race fan, dirt or pavement, could not have enjoyed those races.

                  I don't agree with your generalization that dirt short trackin' is better than pavement. I attend a lot of both as a spectator, and have raced on both surfaces. They are both great, but either type of track has nights where it just aint happening, and the show suffers.

                  Race on.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jimmy McKinley View Post
                    Sheesh.

                    1) This place is like a bad train wreck. I can't stay away.

                    2) Tunafish is...entertainment.

                    3) Bring back a handicapping system, heat races, fast guys in the back. We used to start in the back of a 24-plus Late Model field nearly every week, come from the back in 25 laps, and run up front - or win - $1,000 every week.

                    4) Why do a lot of short tracks *refuse* to put on a SHOW? The fans come to be entertained, not bored to death with eighteen divisions of four cars each. "Our track had 200 cars in the pits last night!" "Yeah, and twenty-five divisions of cars."

                    5) Put good food in your concession stand.

                    6) NA$CAR sucks. My oldest daughter and her husband scored tickets to the "All-Star" wanna-be race Saturday. I told her, "Don't forget where you came from, you better go and support your local track (in Virginia)." I used to take her and her brother to the races all the time with me, now she's brainwashed like Tuna with this punky kid, and her husband is just as bad - a Carl Edwards fan...LOL...

                    7) BRING BACK REAL FIGURE-8 RACING. Not these winged Sprint-car/dirt Late Model wanna-be's, but a REAL Strictly Stock/Super Stock type car, with four door bars on both sides of the cage.

                    8) Strictly Stock *is* (or will be) the future of short track racing. Large fields, (mostly) STOCK cars, fairly cheap. Up here in Ohio, we have "Factory Fours": knock the glass/lights out, basic cage and safety equipment, all automatic transmissions. We've got Mitsubishi Eclipses, Nissan Sentras, Dodge Neons, the older Toyota Camrys, even a Volkswagen GTi and a few Ford Escorts - more like what the Mini Stock class *used* to be. Not these four-cylinder Late Models. And they're the largest fields of cars.

                    9) NA$CAR still sucks: When NA$CAR runs a Saturday-night race, a lot of fans will stay home to watch it on TV. If you're a track owner, and worried about it, why not have a few big-screens down by the concession stand/beer garden, fans can check in to the "big boys" in between Strictly Stocks and Legends.

                    10) NA$CAR really sucks: Take the Trucks back to the short tracks. Those were the BEST Truck races in the early seasons. Let 'em run Daytona, maybe Charlotte, like the old Late Model Sportsman days, but put the majority of the races back on the short tracks.

                    11) NA$CAR sucks even more: instead of making the drivers declare what series they want to get points in, limit the Cup guys - and even the Cup-affiliated teams - to like six or eight races in the other two major series. Don't schedule the lower two series at the same track on the same weekend; make 'em further apart so it's harder for the Cup guys to make it between races. Let the Nationwide and Truck series re-establish their own identities again. A Nationwide "regular" (if there is such a thing any more) has yet to win, or even score a top-five because of guys like Carl Busch and Kyle Edwards.

                    12) If NA$CAR does run a Saturday night race, and you're a track owner worried about it (losing fans staying home), why not run a Sunday-afternoon show?

                    13) Why are there no "specials" throughout the season any more? Used to be, there was a Memorial day 100-lapper, a 4th of July or mid-season double points special, a Labor Day 50-lapper, and an end-of-the-seaon deal with double points before everyone got ready for the Governor's Cup.

                    14) Move the Governor's Cup back to its early November date, after all of the other tracks' seasons are done. Put it back on Sunday afternoon.

                    15) Bring back a TRUE Triple Crown weekend, with three different tracks in three days. Friday: 100-lapper at Bronson. Saturday: bring back the Gulf Coast Classic 100 at Punta Gorda. Then haul-ass back up I-75/I-4 to New Smyrna for the 200 on Sunday. Bring back the infield scoring/scorers since the damn scoreboard don't hardly ever work (either one of 'em). Run heat/qualifying races (no boring time trials), again with the fast guys in the back.

                    16) Four or five classes MAX, with Late Models on a weekly basis.

                    17) Open-comp Late Models. 10" tires, 400-cid max, wedge bodies, 40" spoiler, and four fenders. Minimum wight rule, minimum roll cage thickness/diameter. Those are the only rules.

                    18) Get rid of the ABC bodies. $200-300 for a few aluminum sheets vs $900 for the fiberglass.

                    19) Put on a show with dirt Late Models on pavement. I know Punta Gorda tried it, and it seemed to work pretty good.

                    20) With the Governor's Cup race now in early November, put the Orange Blossom race back on New Year's weekend, after the Snowball.

                    21) It seems the majority of members here - not *all*, but the majority - are either Orlando or New Smyrna racers/fans. Anyone here from up in the northern part of the state (Pensacola, Lake City, etc.)?

                    22) Why don't different tracks have the same rules for the same type of classes? For example, two tracks run very similar rules for say, Super Stocks/Street Stocks/Hobby Stocks. But track A allows aftermarket A-frames, but track B says stock. Why can't they all just get along?

                    Feel free to discuss

                    Jimmy, I live between Lake City and Gainesville but have sold my race car after over 20 years. I actually started when I lived in Orlando.
                    Asphalt racing is dying around here but the dirt track has good car counts and I've seen some pretty good shows there.
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                    • #11
                      scotty mac

                      Take a ride to citrus when the lates or mods are there. There is more out there than dirt.
                      Doug Miller # 53

                      2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
                      2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                      2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                      2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
                      2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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                      • #12
                        Just my Opinion

                        I didn't mean to make it sound that Dirt was better than Asphalt.....merely better to me. I truly think much of the problems revolve around the quality of racers compared to what I used to watch. Previously, there was a post about racers past, present and future. Past was easy to me, present was easy....Wayne Anderson, Wayne Anderson and Wayne Anderson. I know there are others that have a great shot to win races....Jeff Scofield, David Rogers, Tim Russell, Randy Fox, Jason Boyd, etc are always a favorite, but I consider them all "old school" as well. I'm sure there are many good drivers I'm just not aware of because I don't follow asphalt racing like I used to, but it certainly seems to be a slim crowd. It used to be that Jimmy and Mike Cope, Brian Finney, Dickey Anderson, Lee Faulk, Leroy Porter, Dwayne Dempsey, Mike Franklin, James Powell, Dave Pletcher, Pete Orr, Daniel Keene, Billy Bigley, Mario Gosselin and many, many others were all very capable of winning any race they were at. Those days seem to be over and those names are almost impossible to replace. Ah....Bert Ashleman. Wish you were still around!

                        openwm53, I was there last weekend, and you are right. Citrus always has good racing and they run a super tight show. Heck, they were done at like 9:30! It's like I said...I'm not an asphalt hater, just hooked on dirt. Practice lasts 30 minutes, not 4 hours, don't have to buy 3 sets of tires, no qualifying, just get out and dig.
                        Scott McAllister
                        scott@karnac.com
                        352.804.0078 – Direct

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by polesitter61 View Post
                          We run 4 regular classes each night Bob, then a figure 8 race, and one traveling series. We've only had 2 nights of 7 or more divisons all year and one night of 5 classes, all the rest were 6.
                          Yep, that's what I said. And next month you have one date with 8 divisions with one of those being the antiques. Don't forget when you have the antiques, they usually bring 3+ divisions of their own to parade around. There are just too many divisions, most of them so called traveling series. If there were fewer divisions, those drivers would be in one of the remaining classes. Then car counts and show would improve for all. Some of the traveling series I like but they only bring a small car count. The Outlaw Mods could be a great class but they only have a small base. BASS Challenge the same. Mini-cups don't seem to bring much lately. Dwarfts, TQ Midgets, Legends and Bandeleros are the same story. These classes add to the back gate but make the show drag out.
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                          • #14
                            10-4

                            scotty mac .. I understand and agree The names you mentioned are legends. I also think it had to do with the era they raced. I am relatively new to the sport but I sit and talk with a few men you mentioned and dont really understand why its not like it was?? They had payouts then to surpass ours 15 to 20 years ago ????
                            Doug Miller # 53

                            2009 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCMP
                            2011 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                            2012 Open Wheel Modified Champion CCS
                            2013 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime
                            2018 Open Wheel Modified Champion Showtime

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tunaman View Post
                              Jimmy, sounds like most everything to do with racing sucks in your mind and you have the answer to it all. Guess thats why you're the professor!!
                              It don't all suck; just what I see, and saw for years, in Florida, and in NA$CAR in the last, oh, fifteen-twenty years. I *don't* have an answer for everything; this list was merely some observations. Oh - and I never said the *racing* was bad...just the way some tracks and organizations are run, is bad.

                              Here's a few more:

                              23) Whatever happened to the Super Modified Florida Winter Tour? I would think that y'all down south would like to see these things again. How 'bout a four-race Winter Series? Punta Gorda, Orlando, Citrus, and New Smyrna? Two in December, two in January...or two in January, and two in February, wrapping it up at the World Series?

                              24) Why not allow the higher divisions (re: Super Late Models) to run any tire? I can remember when guys'd run four different brands of tires on all four corners of the car. Just specify a hardness/compound, and let 'em run any brand as long as they punch equal on the duro.

                              25) Whatever happened to *atmosphere* at a short track? Driver T-shirts, a printed photo stand, real track souvenirs, a PRINTED weekly race program with the previous week's feature winners on the front, point standings, etc.? Golden Gate was an absolutely *beautiful* facility. Covered grandstands, great food, a "midway" type deal down at the concession/souvenir area, flowers and landscaping *everywhere* (I believe ol' Dery owned a florist or something...)...there's no reason why a track can't look good, even if the racing's terrible. Partner with a local landscaper, put their name on a billboard for the year...something.

                              26) Breakout racing flat out sucks...LOL... went to the local "NA$CAR-sanctioned" weekly track up here (because my buddy runs there, he was looking at buying a new Sportsman car). They time-trial *every class* (only four divisions of racing), and start the fast guys in the back of the features. However, if you're the leader, and you run a race lap, while leading, quicker than what you qualified at, you're black-flagged and sent to the pits. You shouldn't be penalized for leading a race, in my opinion.

                              27) "Pursuit racing" is....boring. The way this works is, they take the top four qualifiers, and put them in a "Pursuit". Fast guy in the back, slow guy up front. If you get passed, you park it. Race is either until only one car is left, or ten laps.

                              28) Heat races and features with the fast guys in back...is great.

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