Pay Out Super's Florida State Confused

[Bigbuck]

The question was raised, "why in the hell would you go to a race Paying $2200.00 and pass by a track Paying $3000.00 for the same laps?" You're saying that it's because drivers are treated better??? Cmon, get real. So I guess the drivers sit around each week and think ,well which track owner kisses our ass the most?, and then they go there. Talk about not having common sense. Drivers complain about the purses but then they go race for less money. Go figure. A promoter once said, "They'll race for trophies", and that's true. If they were so concerned about the money they'd go to the track that pays the most. Obviously by their actions they aren't concerned about the money. Considering the recent actions of these late model drivers, owners/promoters should pay less since they'll get more cars.

That makes as much sense as me doubling my prices thinking I'll get more customers!!

[mr south 59]

Luvracin. DeSoto purse is less than PGS purse not more. Do the math If there were 24 cars at both tracks. At DeSoto 1 driver will get more money and the other 23 would less money than at PGS. So now you have one happy driver and 23 pissed off drivers. How is that working out for John. At PGS Kevin decided to raise his purse and pay more thru the field so now PGS has 24 happy drivers. Seems to be working out for Kevin. So maybe John should start paying MORE like PGS. Not LESS like DeSoto. Just a though.

In my case. For the record. I do own a late model. I have never met John but I did have a discussion on this site about his rules. In that discussion he had no respect at all. He claimed that he knew that I made poor decisions about what series I have ran in the past. Claimed I couldn't get my agenda in order. Said I cried like a baby about the rules and said that I probably complain about the speed limit. I got the DeSoto double talk and than got the same thing when I called him on the phone.

As for complaining about the speed limited. If the speed limit was 70mph every else in the country (like my tranny is legal everywhere else) and you get to Johnnyville and 70mph is not legal (like my tranny) you can rest assured that I will be complaining.

John is a track owner and I am a car owner. After the way he treated in that post do you really think that I am trying to go out of my way to go race at his track.

I already had bought most of the stuff except tranny to make my car legal for Fups before I ever talked to John about his rules. Now I have bought a tranny. My car is legal for Fups now. Does anybody want to guess what tracks I will be running with Fups and what tracks I won't be going out of my way to race at.

It might just be about the way we are treated and not the money.

[luvracin2]

"That makes as much sense as me doubling my prices thinking I'll get more customers!!"

Well in the case of the late models(customers) they went to the business that paid the less money therefore they paid more. That business got more "customers" by having "higher prices". I agree it doesn't make any sense.

Mr south read and comprehend. John was talking about pgs and auburndale NOT desoto. Read his post. You do the math. Pgs got 24 cars with $2,200 to win and auburndale got 17 cars with $3,000 to win. Pay less get more cars. If you're so concerned about payout through the field you must not race to WIN.

"It might just be about the way we are treated and not the money."

Are you that much of a primadona that you decide to race at a track by how the owner kisses your ass? Grow up and grow a pair. Race to WIN!!!!

[MiniRacer26]

I personally know nothing about John and/or Desoto. I will say I enjoy reading his posts, my opinion of that is at least he's trying to put the name "Desoto Speedway" out here and its free to do so on this forum. People have complained about PGS being on here a lot, its only being smart on the part of their management, like I said, its free. No the vacationer from Maine may not go on KARNAC, but I do, lots of people do. These tracks don't care wether a dollar comes from Edgewater or Maine. No form of advertisement reaches everyone. You try this, you try that, but if its free I want to know about it, I'll use it, guaranteed. And if someone asks me a simple question concerning my business like "How much is your senior discount" I'm not going to get smart mouthed about it. Anyhow, Desoto and PGS have been on here enough that My wife and I may very well go out some weekend and check them out, and we live 20 mins from another track. So yes, being on here does have an impact. But I've heard this way to many times, its bad business,
"Quit bitching about the payouts because the people responsible for that is YOU, get out and get your friends to bring their cars out and race, and in a few weeks just watch what happens to the payouts."
That would be like me telling my customers "Quit bitching about the price, get all your neighbors to go with me and you will see a decrease in your price", exactly the same thing. While customer referals are one of the best advertisements its not the only way to increase business. Why is it so good, its FREE, but you don't give your customers the ultimatum to grow your business for you.
How do I know this, because I have been doing service for the same price or less than the same service was 5 yrs ago, and I was the low price leader in the area then. Am I making as much now as then? No, is anyone? Half a glass is better than an empty glass. If I can retain a pest customer and he gets Termites, guess who he's gonna call? But I'm still in business and 25% of small companies in my business have gone out of business in FL in the last TWO years, so race tracks aren't the only ones with this problem. I happen to be going on 2 leads today that very well could gross my company over $1000, these both were referals, thats great, but I guarantee if I told my customers to "Quit bitching and get me more customers" these referals would not have come in. OR, more important, if I kicked someone in the ass that was supporting me and helping bring in more customers it wouldn't be long before he'd stop helping me.
I do not understand that while referals is great, and in the case of race tracks, car owners bringing in more race cars, the worse thing you can do is to basically tell them "quit bitching and bring in more". Ask yourself, this has been said for a couple yrs now, has it worked???? NO!!! So Tim, I respectfully have to disagree with you. While you should be grateful, maybe give a referral gift, like maybe a couple gallons of gas or something, I personally give 5% discount on your next service, you do NOT demand referrals.

BINGO! This is just how "good" business works. If you want to grow your business this is exactly how one would do it. It doesn't matter if its a hot dog stand or a Fortune 500 company, its all the same.

[mr south 59]

Luvracin. Was there really a need to resort to name calling just because your opinion is different than mine?????

With it being one of your first post here I can already see that your opinion is the only opinion that is right. I guess nobody else even needs to reply on this topic anymore. Give us all of the answers than.

Can you add up the total payout for the late models at Auburndale and PGS on the weekend in question? Can you tell us which track paid out more? Aulburndale paid out LESS. Not PGS. I don't get where you said we went to a business that paid less. They paid more. Period.

Let's say I'm a realist. When we go to the track there is about 6-8 cars that really have a shot at the win. I can tell you that we are one of those cars. But to be realistic out of the last 6 races we have raced at PGS we have only won two of those races. So realistically I know that I have better odds at let's say like last week only finishing 3rd. And that goes for any late model driver. It is nice to think that we can win in any race that we enter but we know that the odds are against it. So I do look at the payout thru the field. That is one of the reasons I selected the ASA. It as $600 to start.

The weekend in question. We raced at PGS. We had the car to win that weekend. We were just riding in the lead pack loging lap. The first laper we go to pass on lap 25 bounces off the wall and takes out part of the lead pack and front clips our car. We had a car to win but we finished last. You have to be real. You never know.

Btw. The owner of the track came and talked to us and told us how bad he felt for us. Told me to call he if there was anything that he could do because there was a race in two weeks. A week later Greg from PGS call just to see if we needed anything.

When I asked John about the rules. He he would have called me names and say all of his bs and treated we with a little respect he my have had at least on more late model at his track.

Several of the people at Fups that I talked to treated me very well. Talked to me with respect. Even called me back when they said they would. And even made provisions so that I could race with them. although I did take them up on the weight penalties they offered I did buy a tranny to be able to run with them. I did that because of the way I was treated and I will race with them one day.

As for Auburndale. I don't know Rex either. Only call him one time. He treated me like shit. Worse than John. You know what you get when you treat people like shit. A shit turnout.

Luvracin. This is from past experiences as a racer, car owner, and a track owner for the past 38 years. So you are racing for the win only every week where?

[luvracin2]

Mr. south we know you don't like john from desoto apparently because he wouldn't let you run a certain tranny. Was there anyone else who had this problem? Are you the only one? You said rex guy from auburndale treated you worse than john did. Could you be specific and tell us how he treated you bad? Just saying an owner treated you bad is all bull unless you can give us details. We all know your love for pgs from your past posts and that's fine. Why do you have to drag other owners through the mud? Try and support track owners no matter who they are or some day you may not have a track to race at. You know real racers race to win so why would a racer want to race for $800 less to win? You keep racing for 3rd. Sounds like your content with that.

[NCracerrob]

reayouts

Any one with any sense would look at BOTH the money to win, and the rest of the purse. Only 1 car is GOING to win, everyone else does not. A good race team is going to look at both sides of the coin and make a decision as to where to race.
Couple that with how you get treated at whatever tracks are in the equation, and you can make up your mind. I don't see why this is so hard to figure out.... must just like arguing I guess.

[x90 John Sarppraicone]

Desoto Supers cancelled May 21

Desoto cancelled late model race may 21

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I hope I 'am not to late spoke with Rex Saturday night they had 28 cars on the ground and it made sence to cancell our race on the 21 to help out our alliance,better for the series,I hope they will all come on my next race to help me out.Thanks again John.

[Jessica33]

Mr. south we know you don't like john from desoto apparently because he wouldn't let you run a certain tranny. Was there anyone else who had this problem? Are you the only one? You said rex guy from auburndale treated you worse than john did. Could you be specific and tell us how he treated you bad? Just saying an owner treated you bad is all bull unless you can give us details. We all know your love for pgs from your past posts and that's fine. Why do you have to drag other owners through the mud? Try and support track owners no matter who they are or some day you may not have a track to race at. You know real racers race to win so why would a racer want to race for $800 less to win? You keep racing for 3rd. Sounds like your content with that.

I dont know why anyone would argue with this guy. He thinks everyone is out to get John and Rex.

John, Next time we plan on coming up I will call you and talk to you about the situation that happened last time we were there but we are kinda running for points at PGS. Thanks for trying to make it better. Honestly that earned you a little credit in my book

[x90 John Sarppraicone]

Had to bring this back up ,the most hits ever for the shortest time, a record I think a lot of people take notice pull down the belts Bristols on tonight.Enjoy the race John.