If this site had an annual membership fee to curb expenses. Would you still use it?

[Jane]

Look, no MEMBERSHIP FEE. If you would like to make a small donation to help karnac, Jack and me keep the site going, that is great. If you don't want to, you don't have to. No one will be punished.

Thank you for all your support, we do appreciate it very much. Please keep Jack in your prayers and if you can, add Alex and me in there too since we both need surgery.

Again, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT.

[carolwicks]

OJ

then why is it the only time you ever write anything on here is to try to blaspheme me! i have yet to see you write anything about racing... just insults...
i am just trying to keep the board alive until Jack gets well... we all want to do that... it doesnt just happen. someone has to toss the ball.... didnt you have the nads to get on Ronnie Bacelos case? its just me. Ronnie is the one who asked about memberships. of course he is just as concerned as i am. little do you know that my phone rings off the hook by people who want to help....thats what motivates me. people who care...
GPUAR!
carol

[carolwicks]

OJ

Why is it the only time you come to this board is to blaspheme me? You NEVER write anything about racing. NOTHING...
you never said a word to Ronnie Bacelo who started the thread... No nads? you only pick on women? tough munchies OJ... you dont phase me in the least.
there are some of us who are working hard to find ways to keep the board alive while Jack recuperates... if you arent interested then stuff a sock in it.
carol

[UREZ2PASS]

I had to ask my teenager what GPUAR was, hey that's pretty funny. Go pee up a rope ! Hahahahaha

Signed, EZ nonads

[Bigbuck]

For gods sake, a simple question was asked, yes or no!!!!

[Rick Williamson]

NO!!!!!!!!

[Rick Williamson]

A question is posed where people are asked their opinions and encouraged to respond....only to be chastised and scolded by the self-appointed Mother Teresa of the Message Boards because they didn't share her perverse and close-minded slant on things.

Then....after pissing everyone off and trying to shame them into sending in their $$....a half-assed retraction is offered.

Utterly and sadly....all too predictable.

I think everyone who uses this board or any portion of KARNACland is aware of Jack's illness and his financial troubles that these things inherently bring with them. I also think and hope that everyone that uses and enjoys the boards and sites that Jack brought to the web would VOLUNTARILY help out if they could WITHOUT being beaten over the head about it day after day.

This could have been done without ANY OF THE DRAMA that certain posters seem to need to include in every post they make. In fact, it could have probably been a very beneficial show of support for Jack without people feeling they were being forced to fund one thing only to find out that their money was going somewhere else.

Forget the stupid November elections. The only policy I want to see enacted is to:

STOP THE DRAMA!
MAKE THIS A RACING SITE ONCE AGAIN!

I agree 100% with you OJ

[Osmosis Jones]

And again.....

Way to go, Superfan.

You just emphasized the whole problem with you and this message board, CAROL......If YOU could have just left it at Ronnie Bacelo's post which was phrased as a SIMPLE QUESTION that asked what people thought of a membership charge for this site...WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING JACK"S HEALTH ISSUES...then there would have been NO FREAKING DRAMA and NO IDIOTIC RANTINGS from YOU when other members tried to get their TWO CENTS WORTH in.....

AND WHEN IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT RACING TO TALK ABOUT ON HERE ANYMORE? IF ANYONE EVER BRINGS UP THE TOPIC OF RACING YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR DISCONNECTED THOUGHTS AND NON-RELEVANT OPINIONS TAGGED ON TO EACH AND EVERY THREAD MADE!! GET THE EFF OVER YOURSELF ALREADY! YOU ACCUSED ME OF RUNNING PEOPLE OFF FROM HERE BUT I KNOW OF MORE PEOPLE WHO DON'T POST ANYMORE AND EVEN MORE WHO DON'T EVEN LURK BECAUSE OF THE TRIPE YOU SPEW!!! I USED TO ENJOY THE SHIT OUT OF THIS PLACE. EVEN WHEN JACK HAD A HARD-ON FOR ME BECAUSE THIS KNOW-NOTHING,NEVER-WAS RACER GOT UNDER HIS SKIN BY BEING RIGHT MORE TIMES THAN HE WAS WRONG AND HAVING THE "NADS" TO ACTUALLY SAY IT! WHEN YOU AND JANE GOT ME BANNED FROM HERE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MESSED UP AND AGREED WITH SOME OF MY POSTS, THERE WERE GOOD FRIENDS WHO PUT THEIR OWN MEMBERSHIPS AT RISK TO SPEAK UP FOR ME! I DIDN'T ASK THEM TO BUT THEY FELT I HAD BEEN WRONGED AND MUST HAVE MISSED MY (AS YOU SAY) VULGAR AND DEMEANING BRAND OF BLASPHEMY! NEVER ONCE DID I GET ANY MESSAGES OR EMAILS OR PHONE CALLS FROM ANYONE WHO I SUPPOSEDLY RAN OFF FROM HERE. WHERE WERE THE POSTS SAYING "GEE, I'M SURE GLAD THAT IDIOT OSMO IS GONE, I'M GONNA START MAKING POSTS NOW THAT I KNOW HE'S NOT AROUND!"

That's enough yelling, I guess. Maybe....except maybe to say for the umpteenth time....

"COULD YOU PLEASE JUST SHUT YOUR PIEHOLE FOR ONE FLIPPING DAY AND LET SOMEONE ELSE BREATHE A LITTLE AIR FOR A CHANGE!"


Guess what? Someone out there wants to know my real name and for some reason doesn't already?....send me a PM with yours and I'll tell you mine and we'll probably be friends. But I don't suffer fools very well which is, I guess, why I can't stomach the crap CW dishes out.

OSMOSIS "WHAT'S IN A NAME" JONES

And thanks Rick W.....'preciate it, brother.

[Cara]

Does all websites cost $400 a month or more to keep them going? Sounds like a lot of money but I have never had a website so I am just asking.

CW (Cara Wells)

[Winger]

You just emphasized the whole problem with you and this message board, CAROL......If YOU could have just left it at Ronnie Bacelo's post which was phrased as a SIMPLE QUESTION that asked what people thought of a membership charge for this site...WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING JACK"S HEALTH ISSUES...then there would have been NO FREAKING DRAMA and NO IDIOTIC RANTINGS from YOU when other members tried to get their TWO CENTS WORTH in.....

Well said. I'm still confused about where a "fee" or a "donation" will go. Will it go to help Jack and his health issues/finances? Or will it go to keep Karnac on line, pay Jane, or what?

[carolwicks]

whoa!

oJ... i HAVE NEVER EVER HAD ANYONE BANNED FROM ANY MESSAGE BOARD!!
I dont think Jane has either. if you question that then call jack or rick and ask.
when i come on here i risk posts such as yours and i have always taken my "punishments" ...
you are so hateful... enjoy being the way you are. you dont change my life in any way.
as far as the upkeep of the board... this message board is a minute part of karnac. there are links to videos, radio shows, stories etc. i am not 100% of what the costs are but i do know that every penny will help...Jack usually covers the costs with advertising. he just cant go out and do that right now. and for the record... jack NEVER asked for a single cent. Ronnie and i had talked on the phone and we decided to try and find a way to help keep the board. yes OJ... Ronnie and I are friends... do you actually think i do these things without consultation? do you think i post things without permission? i wasnt born yesterday but i dont have to come on here and explain every damn thing i try to do. i did not say anything to Jack . i wanted to see how people felt first. Ronnie and i simply asked if anyone were interested. as always it turns into something nasty. the answers should have been yes or no...insults are not necessary.
I never wanted you banned OJ... i have been up against worse than you and i am still here trying to do little things to help people. so if thats why you hate me so much you are wasting your hatred. ive said it a hundred times... I AM NOT A MODERATOR and never have been. oh... and i never will be.! Have a nice day! I am done with this thread. If anyone wants to help Jack , send help to:
Jack Smith
2724 Cottage Lane
North Port, Fl. 34286

I didnt even know you were banned and that is the truth..

[Jane]

There is no need to pick on any one person over this. A donation would help keep the site going and hopefully yes, help pay me too but that is up to Jack. Karnac does have bills, all sites do. They don't just run on air and everyone has server fees, etc. Up until Jack got sick, yes, he has all ways to keep karnac running and make money but right now he is lucky if he can sit at the computer 10 minutes a day and you can't make anything doing that. Jack has always had outside interests that he did other than karnac to make money but he can't right now, he just can't.

We did advertise for quite a few tracks but when you have to chase down, beg and plead to get paid, it is not worth it. And to be honest, that is the first bill most tracks just don't pay on time if at all. We learned that the hard way just as I have from doing sites for people and keeping them updated and never getting paid although the work was done always on time and what they wanted.

There is no reason for any fight, argument, name calling, none of that. It is very simple. If you would like to donate, you can and if you don't want to, karnac is still there for as long as we can keep it there. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE.

If a track has a big race and they would like to advertise that race, please contact me and I will be happy to help you.

But right now it is hard and I think I have sold and pawned about everything I can to still exsist in this life and so has Jack. Medical bills are expensive and I am beginning also to find this out since I have no cartilage in either of my knees anymore and I have bone rubbing against bone which hurts like hell and makes it hard to do alot of walking or going up and down stairs but I do it because I have to.

SO PLEASE, stop all the bickering because this is nothing to bicker over and give someone a hard time over. Like I told you before, I have had a donation button on my website for some time since I have no advertisers either and have bills to pay but so far I have been lucky and kept it up for everyone. BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN DOING THAT so PLEASE, stop all the silliness and enjoy karnac.

There has been more than one time that Jack has thought of just giving up the ghost with karnac but he has always changed his mind because I remind him that karnac is far more than a message board and we have so much history in our site and for alot of writers, that is important. The first place I go when I am writing a story for someone is our archives and then the internet. A few of you like Steve Smith, Marty Little, Dave Westerman, even Larry Jewett know the importance of karnac as a site for information not a bathroom wall and that is why we keep it going. The "thank you" are far and few between but when you do get one, it means alot to both of us because we have put alot of blood, sweat and tears into this site.

SO EVERYONE, have a great weekend, go to your local track and support it and cheer on that favorite driver of your's and just relax. Life is way too short to bicker over silly stuff.

[Bigbuck]

NO!!!!!!!!

Rick, I disagree , I say yes, but I applaud you for giving them a straight answer. Damn, and everyone got pissed at me when Boney and I was giong at it!!

[cripplecreek007]

Carol Wicks said........
when a person comes on here and uses a fake name to talk trashhhhhhh it just means they dont have the nads to "come out"...


Carol, people use their real name or make it known who they are, and stuff still is deleted/erased.


I agree with Winger, if free speech was actually allowed and posts not cherrypicked for the benefit of FL racing, then I would also contribute. But it's a private site and censorship is rampant, so I would be inclined not to support it financially.

Furthermore, Osmosis Jones is now my hero. Utterly brilliant and dead on final post.

I guess this post will probably be removed because I like to stir the pot and somehow dared to disagree. Que sera, sera.

[Jane]

DEAR O.J.

I swear to you on my children's lives and my grandchildren lives's I HAVE NOT AND NEVER HAVE BANNED YOU or had one thing to do with banning you. I don't ban anyone however a few years back when I was moderating the board and got a request for a certain post to be deleted, I would do that but that is all.

I AM NOT TWO FACED, A BACK STABBER and IF I have a problem with you or anyone else, I will talk to them to their face and not ban them.

Sorry but you see right now in my own life I have this very same problem that I am suppose to have said this and that and NEVER said any of it but have lost good friends because someone else wanted to play games and hurt me. BUT I HAVE NEVER BANNED ANYONE NOT EVEN YOU.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!