Here is how to run an enduro

[Boneman]

I snagged these pictures from Speed 51. This was an enduro run last weekend at Kalamazoo Speedway. It looks a little different than most Florida enduros, doesn't it? These guys are doing it right: the rules are structured around inexpensive cars that are readily available. That means 4 and 6 cylinder cars, either FWD or RWD.

On the same weekend that New Smyrna had a 10 car enduro made up of (mostly) vintage Monte Carlos and Camaros, this place packed the track with well over 100 low dollar racecars.

I see they are using part of the infield as a road course. Why? To keep the speeds down. Enduro cars shouldn't be required to have cages (remember its supposed to be low dollar), so you have to find a way to lower the speeds. If some drivers don't like it and want to race on the big track, then they can get a real racecar and leave the enduros to the budget racers and beginners.

[Beach Bum]

Yep!...

...that is exactly how to run an enduro. The "road course" aspect of it is a great equalizer - minimizing the advantage guys with lots of oval track driving/set-up experience have vs. real rookies. Enduros are (or at least were) supposed to be a fun,super low-buck introduction to racing. This format they're running up in Michigan looks to be all of that.

[Don Nerone]

Car Warz don and chuck (old crash a rama) put on endro races in NY and Mich and this year had as main as 100 cars enter. the rules are the same as they were when we diid it here. the differance is that there they mist be frount wheel drive 4 or 6 cil. this kept the camaeo , montand thunder bird
out of the mix. When we left the car count was 65 at the last orlando race we did. our best in fl wes 85. I heard (tell me if im wrong) the car count was 13 at the last race.
they didnt fix it. they broke it
the numbers dont lie
Its ok to follow if leading aint working

Don62

[Boneman]

It was easy in the old days to draw huge fields. Every track could do it. The reason your out of state events were successful was because you modernized the rules to include newer and readily available cars.

The well is poisoned here in Florida. Most operators still think they are going to have 100 full frame V8's sign up to race. That hasn't happened for 15 years. The enduros that Moe at Crash A Rama puts on in this state are showing signs of life. He also has the more modern rules based around low cost cars. Why don't you run enduros at Car Warz?

Don, when you left there wasn't even a rule book. When did you ever have 65 cars at Orlando?

[Hired Gun]

Rex, Thank looks like a blast I would do it in a second!!!

[Don Nerone]

It was easy in the old days to draw huge fields. Every track could do it. The reason your out of state events were successful was because you modernized the rules to include newer and readily available cars.

The well is poisoned here in Florida. Most operators still think they are going to have 100 full frame V8's sign up to race. That hasn't happened for 15 years. The enduros that Moe at Crash A Rama puts on in this state are showing signs of life. He also has the more modern rules based around low cost cars. Why don't you run enduros at Car Warz?

Don, when you left there wasn't even a rule book. When did you ever have 65 cars at Orlando?
Rex the 100 cars was this year. ask E+H they came and we had 90.not 13. Rember i said the truth. When i left Rusty was there under me and there wer 118 cars for a high that year. Yiu didnt race much that year. 13 cars ware is the sign of life show me the truth or dare. we do run them at CarWarz 10 times this year. sold out two shows with the bigest croud Holland speedway ever had in 49 some years. Lake Eare speedways largest croud for the year.
not trying to beat u up on here but tell the truth. for years i had to put up with this slander it was my job.

Don62
the truth will set u free

[TINYTIMDSS]

That is where Rocket Rick Reed is from at PGS

[Don Nerone]

come on Rex Man up and say u were wrong. I know Moe is a good friend and thats ok . I quit when Terry Roberts took over and its been 4 years it cant still be my falt.
when i came to FASCAR the car counts were down 45 at NSS and 60at OSW
If oll of u start working towards the same goal u can fix it.
stop crying and invite other racers to come .who in there right mind would bring a car to a track to race with a bunch of rock throwers

sorry about the spelling
Don62

[Bigbuck]

come on Rex Man up and say u were wrong. I know Moe is a good friend and thats ok . I quit when Terry Roberts took over and its been 4 years it cant still be my falt.
when i came to FASCAR the car counts were down 45 at NSS and 60at OSW
If oll of u start working towards the same goal u can fix it.
stop crying and invite other racers to come .who in there right mind would bring a car to a track to race with a bunch of rock throwers

sorry about the spelling
Don62

well said!!

[Boneman]

Don, what are you talkling about? You seem to be mixing up enduro entries, total Car Warz entries, total cars in the pits and who knows what else. When talking to me, try to concentrate.

My point is that enduros are in terrible shape in Florida because the tracks that present them have not caught on to the fact that they can no longer assemble a field of 100+ Monte Carlos. Only the organizers who design the races to be inexpensive, fun and easy will be successful and save enduro racing.

[Winger]

My point is that enduros are in terrible shape in Florida because the tracks that present them have not caught on to the fact that they can no longer assemble a field of 100+ Monte Carlos. Only the organizers who design the races to be inexpensive, fun and easy will be successful and save enduro racing.

I'll give Don a little credit here. The Car Warz show at Ocala had the 4-6 cyl cars run. I think they started around 30 and the rains came and shortened the show. There were cars that looked like they were built just for that enduro and there were "Gladiator" class race cars participating. It really wasn't much of an enduro, because of the rain, but the potential was there.

[Hired Gun]

I just pulled out a Video of Jim winning at Orlando in 07 and the last place car is sitting at the pit enterence to the track....with it being a 4 wide start it looks like about 80+ cars. We did go to New York for a crash a rama and I think the number was 97? starters,and they were all Compacts. Ocala did have around 40 and that was a blast on dirt! But I we do keep wondering why every enduro we run the car counts are dropping. We always looked forward to Citrus County's Enduro, They Gurennted $5,000 to win no matter how many cars started the race. There v-8 enduro would have at least 50 cars and 95% Full Frame Cars. Then they decide to run a Compact cat enduro and only 5 cars showed up. The Enduro last Saturday at New Smyrna was supposed to be a big deal...But the only people that showed up to run, were people that we told/and/or brought.

[Hired Gun]

And Rex' in the top left hand corner of the second pic.....Is that a Chevy Astro van LOL Awesome!!

[flvideo]

I have a video somewhere from 1985 when I think Don was there and we started 210 cars on the oval at Desoto. Now that was wild. I think it started double file and when the leader finished the first lap the last few cars were taking the green. Bob...

[Bigbuck]

It was easy in the old days to draw huge fields. Every track could do it. The reason your out of state events were successful was because you modernized the rules to include newer and readily available cars.

The well is poisoned here in Florida. Most operators still think they are going to have 100 full frame V8's sign up to race. That hasn't happened for 15 years. The enduros that Moe at Crash A Rama puts on in this state are showing signs of life. He also has the more modern rules based around low cost cars. Why don't you run enduros at Car Warz?

Don, when you left there wasn't even a rule book. When did you ever have 65 cars at Orlando?
Rex the 100 cars was this year. ask E+H they came and we had 90.not 13. Rember i said the truth. When i left Rusty was there under me and there wer 118 cars for a high that year. Yiu didnt race much that year. 13 cars ware is the sign of life show me the truth or dare. we do run them at CarWarz 10 times this year. sold out two shows with the bigest croud Holland speedway ever had in 49 some years. Lake Eare speedways largest croud for the year.
not trying to beat u up on here but tell the truth. for years i had to put up with this slander it was my job.

Don62
the truth will set u free

Better watch out Don, the sheriff will set all his little deputies on you!! Probably make a $5 t-shirt about you!!! What good does his bitterness and negativity do for the cause of racing. I mean, whats he saying he's smarter than you? Or maybe knows someone smarter than you? Heck we all know someone that fits that discription!! (joke) And he promised to give me crap if he caught me being negative!!!! LOLOLOLO