What a joke NASCAR is!

[DeMan951]

Was it an error on the part of the spotter or did Kyle ignore his spotter and just move up into Brad? The blame surely could not rest with Brad for what happened.

Wow that is the most slanted take you could have on the situation. Moving up into Brad? When he is in front of Brad that is called a completed pass.

[tccaz]

You missed my point Ed

Absolutely not.

What I cannot believe is everyone compares this jack ass to Sr. Maybe on the track but off the track, argue it any way you want Kb is a piece of crap.

I would never compare Sr. to Busch, I think Kyle is an arrogant horses ass what I meant was if Sr. did the exact same thing no one would say anything about it but I still say Keselowski deserved what he got.



Tom

[pitcrew]

Todd is right on all accounts. Nascar has created the standard for incidents like this, and we should give them credit for not bowing to the whim of every driver who thinks they were wronged. That said, they have every reason to reign in a driver who doesn't see the difference between "retaliation" and "reckless endangerment" of innocent fans. Kyle has shown that he can control the situation, where Carl and Brad have shown they can't...end of story.

As for Kyle personally, unprecedented talent (best equipment and leadership available doesn't hurt) but maturity only comes with upbringing and time. Was Dale Sr. the same cool calculating character off the track at 20 years of age (when Kyle won his first Cup race)? I don't think so. Sr won his first race at 29, after two failed marriages and three kids. And I bet Ralph wasn't quite as soft as maybe Kyle's parents were.

I don't cheer for him, but he makes the sport better. He's changed dramatically since his first day in Nascar. And if Krashawallki (best nickname ever) was smart, he'd learn from Kyle instead of starting a crash war he won't win.

[Todd McCreary]

Does anyone here think Earnhardt Sr. would put up with what Keselowski did?


better question:

does anybody here think Ed would put up with what Krashawallski did?



i know, and you know Ed, that if Krash had pulled that stunt on you ( especially with the history he's got ) you'd have damn near lost your mind. helmets would have been kicked. equipment would have been thrown. i've watched you do it before. i backed you up when you went over for your 'discussion' with the retard at New Smyrna. you might remember that i was the only one to do so, even though several other people had been mouthing off about how they would "kick his ass" and doing their best to wind you up. funny how they never followed up when you went looking for him, eh?


take Busch out of the equation. his involvement is irrelevant to the final result.

Krash has shown, repeatedly, that anyone near him in the top 5 at the end of a race is in serious danger of being put in the wall.



As for Kyle personally, unprecedented talent (best equipment and leadership available

RCR has better engines. finally somebody has something that can out horsepower the Toyo engines.

and i like Gibbs, but damn, that Logano pick was sorry.

[Todd McCreary]

if all the drivers had the personality of Kasey Kayne i think we would die of boredom during interviews


screw the interviews.

i watch racing for, you know, the racing. and Kahne gave us excitement in spades Friday night. sure, three wide around the outside at Bristol isn't the brightest idea. especially when you're in a class where near half the drivers don't even know what they're doing. Trevor Bane screwed up trying to go too fast after he saw how much ground Kahne had made. and Allgaier should have backed out of the middle as soon as he saw how much ground Kahne made on him in a single corner.

BUT! part of being a good driver is knowing who is around you and how they're likely to react to something. so Kahne expecting to make it out of that corner in one piece was ... pretty foolish.

but you can't fault Kahne for lack of cohones or whining about how the other drivers aren't supposed to race him that hard. you gotta give him that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjq8egSuiSY

[John Berti]

I'm in total agreement with Todd's first post in which he said "why do you expect NASCAR to treat Busch any differently than they treated Earnhardt for blatantly taking out Terry Labonte? this has been their policy for only ... 60 years now?" That however, doesn't make it right.

In the history of NASCAR racing who was any dirtier a driver than Dale Earnhardt, Sr? He must hold the NASCAR record for the most times a driver has ever taken out another driver intentionally. He used to irritate me to no end with what he got away with. It was wrong back then when Dale, Sr. did it and it is just as much wrong when today's drivers do it. Dale, Sr. should have been penalized back then and current drivers that do it should be penalized as well.

NASCAR has never had the guts to do the right thing.

[Edm]

Does anyone here think Earnhardt Sr. would put up with what Keselowski did?


better question:

does anybody here think Ed would put up with what Krashawallski did?



i know, and you know Ed, that if Krash had pulled that stunt on you ( especially with the history he's got ) you'd have damn near lost your mind. helmets would have been kicked. equipment would have been thrown. i've watched you do it before. i backed you up when you went over for your 'discussion' with the retard at New Smyrna. you might remember that i was the only one to do so, even though several other people had been mouthing off about how they would "kick his ass" and doing their best to wind you up. funny how they never followed up when you went looking for him, eh?

I remember that like it was yesterday. I have to say I was kind of surprised when I turned around and you were standing there. Nobody knows it but your kind of a good guy to have around in the pits as well.

Everyone talks Sr down because he moved Labonte for a win. How many people has Kb turned going for position other then 1st? I don't know about yall but I would turn my own mom for a win. How does Jennifer Jo Cobb feel about him? That was down right dirty. That was what? 25th place in the trucks.

I havent said anything about Krashlowski because he is getting his. I am just a Busch hater.

[ronabneysr]

ok here's my two cents worth kyle bush did slide job

on kasoloski kyle knew he was little short having enough room to slide in front of brad and spotter did not have enough time to see or say any thing

kyle probably thought brad would lift a little and try to drive back under him but after brad did what he did then kyle did what he did

now if kasolaskowanted to get him back good saturday night when they were beside each other and ever body including kyle thought that brad was going to crash him

and he let him just go by what kasolasko should have done was crashed him with two laps to go all brad had to do was wait just a second kyle was coming up behind him on white flag

thats what i would have done

and if ryan newman had of been a man he would have put and a$$ wooping
on joey logono that barney fife looking ugly A$$ no driving needs some body to rearange his face for him

[Todd McCreary]

That however, doesn't make it right.


right, wrong, doesn't matter. NASCAR is consistent on this point and they always have been.

just like that stupid yellow line rule. when NASCAR first instituted that they claimed that there would be penalties assessed for forcing people below the line. they claimed that for several years.

but in practice they never once penalized the driver in front for blocking the car behind below the yellow line. and eventually, they gave up talking about how "blocking" would be penalized. you can complain about them not ever living up to what they claimed they wanted from the drivers but you CANNOT accuse them of being 'inconsistent' on their rule enforcement for the yellow line. penalties were never handed down for anything other than taking a position with the left tire below the line.

i've been yelling at the tv for probably a decade now because these dipstick 'professional' NASCAR drivers haven't been just crashing the guy in front into the infield. that's the rule enforcement and driving that NASCAR has demonstrated that they want at superspeedways, that's the way the drivers need to drive at superspeedways. right, wrong, doesn't matter. it is what it is and NASCAR isn't going to change until the drivers start driving the way NASCAR has demonstrated that they want the drivers to drive and start ruining a few cars. and they have started to do this a little bit over the last year. finally.

how NASCAR enforced the rule may not have matched how they originally described the rule, but that's something else that's on the driver:
you have to know the rule book, yes. but that's not enough. you also have to know how the sanctioning body is going to enforce that rule book.

you can cry about it once. you can cry about it if the sanctioning body keeps contradicting themselves and making up rulings to favor certain drivers. you CAN'T cry about it if the sanctioning body makes the same ruling every time the same situation comes up. at that point it's the drivers responsibility to race to the rules as enforced.



I'm in total agreement with Todd's first post in which he said "why do you expect NASCAR to treat Busch any differently than they treated Earnhardt for blatantly taking out Terry Labonte? this has been their policy for only ... 60 years now?"

the problem is that you tried to claim that this was some kind of proximate cause to NASCAR's decline in ratings and attendance over the last couple of years.

such a claim is patently false. NASCAR built their fortune on exactly this type of rule enforcement.

another question is why you're giving Krashawallski a pass? i mean, did he or did he not put Busch in the wall? it's pretty clear that that is exactly what he did, just as he has done numerous times before to other drivers. if you want to penalize Busch for putting Krash in the wall when Brad was on point then consistency demands that you likewise penalize Krash for putting Busch in the wall when Kyle was in the lead.

either put them both to the back or let the boys race and let the chips fall where they may.




I was kind of surprised when I turned around and you were standing there.


figured it wouldn't hurt to have somebody watching your six. you never know how many people another crew might have or where they might be coming from or if they're bringing tire irons. i figured you could handle the guy in front of you all by yourself.




Nobody knows it but your kind of a good guy to have around in the pits as well.


now that's just silly talk.

[John Berti]

Todd,

I did not personally see the incident as I don't watch NASCAR Sprint Cup racing much anymore. My comments were from numerous media accounts of what happened between Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski. All of them seemed to point to the same decision that Kyle pull up into Brad before he was clearly past Brad and that contact is what knocked Kyle back into second. That clearly tells me that the incident was not Brad's fault, but undoubtedly Kyle's. Kyle's fault example #1

The next thing that Kyle did was race back up unto Brad's bumper and intentionally spun him out of the lead. Kyle even admitted that he did it after the race in a post race interview. Kyle's fault example #2.

Why should I be wanting to see Brad punished in this incident when everything points 100% to Kyle. Granted Brad has done wrong in the past, but I'm responding to this incident.

My overall comment has been consistent with the way I've always felt about auto racing and I've reiterated it often on my radio talk show that I hosted back in New England. At any racetrack everyone should be treated the same whether you are a multi-time track champion or just unloading your car for your first ever race.

Rules and common sense decisions must be enforced and applied universally. No playing favorites. Don't do it and your open yourself up to criticism.

NASCAR has obviously put itself in that position and doesn't seem to care about it one bit. Their races are some of the worse run events that anyone could ever imagine and fans are upset with it. They should look to some of the premier local tracks across the county to learn how to do it right.

[oldtimer]

Who Cares!!!

[ronabneysr]

how soon we forget they did not use to have at it boys

were have you been for past 65 years they have all ways done it ever were nascar . usac. local tracks .

and if five people are watching the race and there is a wreck there are five different ways a wreck happened

when me and wife traveled back in old - old days to race say some were in new jersey or new york or out west and we did not know a single driver it did not take too long too pick out a favorite one

and trust me if our favorite driver got down under the leader and leader wrecked there was no way that it was our drivers fault

and later in life i had my share of fights - pay backs - fines - now the fines are lot bigger and now you have to have lawyers - and go to court were back in old days

if guy put you in wall you could could get him in bath room or some were in pits . and then next week at right place at right moment down by pit gate wall get loose and catch his corner and when his head quit hurting and he got new car built he did not bother you no more

i say leave the drivers along let them work it out lets say lagona runs into newman keep his mouth shut and say that's racing .

maybee in week or two they will be in right place at right time and if you are down under him who knows you might have a handling problem

jeff jordon needs to quit letting jimmy johnson run over him .. they have enough accidents with out doing it on purpose have at it boys rubbin is racing

and earnhardt why don't you stay home and take kellys job for a while and let her drive your car cause you run up behind some body you can't pass them

or get kyle bush or get kevin harvick give you some driving lessons

[DeMan951]

Todd,

I did not personally see the incident as I don't watch NASCAR Sprint Cup racing much anymore. My comments were from numerous media accounts of what happened between Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski.

How can you comment on a wreck you didn't even see. Okay I get it your a KB hater but come on at least watch it before you rant.

[tccaz]

How can you comment on a wreck you didn't even see. Okay I get it your a KB hater but come on at least watch it before you rant.

MAKES SENSE TO ME,

[Todd McCreary]

I did not personally see the incident

then it would probably serve you well to go back to my first reply where i linked video of the incident in question. 3 minutes of viewing time ain't going to ruin your life.

the fact is that Kyle had him cleared and had plenty of room to pull up. drivers pull slide jobs with LESS room all the time. neither the spotter, Brad nor Kyle himself could have known that the car was going to get loose. when the car gets loose Kyle HAS to get out of the throttle or he's going to put himself into the wall. Kyle lifting off the throttle is why Krash had the run on him, it didn't have anything to do with Krash running the higher line.

the problem is that Krash made the same choice he always makes in these situations. just like when Brad tried to make Edwards pay for Brad's own screw up at Gateway, Keselowski is always going to use up everybody around him at the end of the race if he's in the top 5.




My comments were from numerous media accounts of what happened between Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski.


who cares? some of the most ignorant racing commentary i've ever seen has come from 'professionals' in the broadcast booth. Rusty Wallace and either of the Waltrips are the three most incompetent commentators currently on TV. it's not unusual to have on track action directly contradict something they just claimed less than a lap after they said it.

Chris Economaki knew everything personality wise that was going on in the pits and behind the scenes but he couldn't accurately evaluate what was happening on track to save his life. the absolute nadir of his career was when Richard got broadsided and Economaki was telling the nation that Petty was dead before the car even stopped spinning.

Ricky Craven is one of the best commentators. Boris is decent but he's pretty flat personality wise. Jarrett doesn't pull any punches.

Spencer usually has a pretty good idea of whats going on because he was one of the dirtiest drivers out there when he had a ride. an example of Spencer's expertise is his analysis of the Harvick/Logano deal at Pocono. everybody who knows anything about racing knows that Harvick wrecked Logano intentionally. Spencer pointed out why ( Harvick thought his car was fast enough to run with the leaders but had to have a caution to have a chance to get at them, Logano was handy ) Harvick probably did it.

i'm not sure i'm aware of any non-driver TV commentators whose judgment i'd even care to hear. most of them have proven themselves as ignorant as Darrell or Rusty.




"The next thing that Kyle did was race back up unto Brad's bumper and intentionally" put him in the wall.

no one denies this. that you keep ignoring that this is also EXACTLY what Krash did is rather aggravating.



when everything points 100% to Kyle.

everything except the video, anyways. by "everything", you mean the talking heads whose job it is to stir up drama.



At any racetrack everyone should be treated the same

NASCAR is treating everyone the same with respect to car contact. your complaint is that you don't like NASCAR's race direction, not that it isn't consistent.