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  • Before it's too late.......

    Ya know, this place used to be a lot of fun. A bunch of friends giving each other a hard time, telling stories about the last weekends racing, and plans to get together for the upcoming weeks.

    Now, it's nothing but useless drivel.

    Post after post about upcoming events (isn't there a 'proper" section for that stuff, just as we have been told about actual RACING news???), hourly updates on the health conditions of who-knows-who (don't get me wrong... we do care, but don't need CONSTANT updates), constantly being told that WE should be thankful that Karnac ALLOWS us a place to come....

    There is no FUN left here anymore. Hypocritical politics have left no room on here to talk about RACING. Look back at the last several weeks... has there been ANYTHING posted about races at East Bay? How about the situations at Bronson & Putnam, whether they will even open this year or not? How about some news about NSS starting a new E-Mod class, or the FAST or UDLMCS series?

    NOTHING!

    The 'powers that be" have killed any interest in people posting news, opinions or God-forbid, a real live racing re-cap. Look at how many faithful Karnac users don't even bother anymore. I think a message is being sent out, that the people in charge are just not picking up on.... that message is:

    WE don't need you.... You need US.

    Until some type of compromise is worked out, I'm absolutely sure you will see your numbers consistantly falling. Customers don't shop where they are not wanted. And we, as CUSTOMERS of this site AREN'T wanted.

    What a shame that is too, as I have made MANY great friends through this site (including Jack, Rick, Jane & Todd... the people that either allow or ban what is being said), and I hope to for many more years. Don Nerone made the mistake of publicly stating that he "didn't WANT 40 LM's at his events... only the 20 BEST ones". Well, that's what is happening here too. Protecting a few, has been chasing away many... including yours truly.

    Someone within Karnac needs to start mending fences with your faithful readership before it's too late (keep in mind, for a lot of people, it's already too late). Jack had built up a pretty good thing, becoming the premier web-site covering racing all over Florida (which isn't just a self-proclaimed title... it is true), but now in his absence, is turning into a pile of ashes. What a shame that trusted people would do this to someone they loudly proclaim to be their friend.

    I'm pretty damned sure that this will get windexed, or moved to the Complainers section, and likely get me banned. But for whoever gets to read this before it goes POOF, I hope you realize this is being said as constructive criticism. And when it does go POOF, it will prove my point. Hell, another former poster here has been banned from this site for something he said ON ANOTHER SITE... it wasn't even said here. And yet, Jane goes to the other site herself, with her track promotion that is only allowed here by certain people, but banned for others. The power you people think you have is just amazing to me

    Until things change.... ADIOS Karnac!

  • #2
    Amen, Brother Binner!

    I could say a lot of things about this subject....but my friend, Jerry, has pretty much summed it up.

    Well stated, brother.



    See you on the dark side.

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    • #3
      Great post!I hope someone sees it for what it is and leaves it for others to read.

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      • #4
        Before it goes ::POOF::

        VERY WELL SAID SIR! Thats the best constructive criticism i have heard in a long time.

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        • #5
          Why would they leave it for others to see? These powers to be obviously don't care if the people who keep the site going get what they want. I won't be back anytime soon I know no one cares about me but everyone that leaves means their number of hits go down. Less hits means less advertising.

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          • #6
            Jerry...

            I sure dont disagree with what you're saying but I think the people who post on Karnac also have to respect other people's opinions... THAT has run alot of people off. I know that for a fact. I'm not talking about the way you guys goof off with each other. We all know that's in fun...
            It is going to have to be a cooperative effort on the part of Karnac and the people who post.
            I cant tell you how many people who are drivers, employees, owners, and fans who are "afraid" to post for fear of being disrespected and insulted.
            I dont think anyone should be windexed for an opinion no matter how many people dont agree. But the opinion should at least be courteous.... Sometimes people are windexed, not because they said something wrong, but they are part of a nasty thread and the entire thread has been windexed.
            Jack gave us all the benefit of a complaint section, humor, etc. and yet people (me included) keep posting all the silly stuff on the main board. we should have just left things alone ... the old board was more fun.
            I think things will change for the better soon... When the bill of rights was written it didnt give us a free run to treat people like crap...
            I do agree with alot of what you said. BUT... we need each other!
            carolwicks aka OZ
            Last edited by carolwicks; 03-05-2010, 02:39 PM.

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            • #7
              Actually Jerry numbers are curently very high. FYI there are alot of people who don't post on this board because of the negative comments by a few.

              The last time Jack banned you it was Jane and I (remember Volusia) that talked him into letting you back also it was me who talked to Jack about letting you back Matt.

              We are doing things no different then before Jack went to the hospital . As a matter of fact we have been doing things this way long before most of you became message board members so it seems to work. We aren't making this shit up as we go.

              Just because you do not post here anymore Jerry it will not go POOF and that will prove my point...

              Adios

              Rick Anges -
              Announcer/
              Admin-KARNAC.com Message Board
              rick@karnac.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by carolwicks View Post
                I sure dont disagree with what you're saying but I think the people who post on Karnac also have to respect other people's opinions... THAT has run alot of people off. I know that for a fact. I'm not talking about the way you guys goof off with each other. We all know that's in fun...
                It is going to have to be a cooperative effort on the part of Karnac and the people who post.
                I cant tell you how many people who are drivers, employees, owners, and fans who are "afraid" to post for fear of being disrespected and insulted.
                I dont think anyone should be windexed for an opinion no matter how many people dont agree. But the opinion should at least be courteous.... Sometimes people are windexed, not because they said something wrong, but they are part of a nasty thread and the entire thread has been windexed.
                Jack gave us all the benefit of a complaint section, humor, etc. and yet people (me included) keep posting all the silly stuff on the main board. we should have just left things alone ... the old board was more fun.
                I think things will change for the better soon... When the bill of rights was written it didnt give us a free run to treat people like crap...
                I do agree with alot of what you said. BUT... we need each other!
                carolwicks aka OZ
                Carol, I have NEVER seen an owner that was afraid to post on here. Big John was always on here. And Rex as well. Most just don't come here nor read message boards period! I have been talked bad about on here in years past by some not so nice posters from Auburndale. But I'm still here. Jerry is right about alot of what he said. Where IS all the Eastbay posts like use to be on here this time of year? And if it's another place on Karnac, again what was wrong with it on here?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rick Anges View Post
                  Actually Jerry numbers are curently very high. FYI there are alot of people who don't post on this board because of the negative comments by a few.

                  The last time Jack banned you it was Jane and I (remember Volusia) that talked him into letting you back also it was me who talked to Jack about letting you back Matt.

                  We are doing things no different then before Jack went to the hospital . As a matter of fact we have been doing things this way long before most of you became message board members so it seems to work. We aren't making this shit up as we go.

                  Just because you do not post here anymore Jerry it will not go POOF and that will prove my point...

                  Adios
                  Rick, I don't know you from anyone else but you totally dismissed his point. The board has been very boring lately and I know you don't realize it or care but it needs guys like Jerry, Jim Fenton and Andy. They all have an interest in the sport and a different perspective on it.

                  I haven't seen one person disagree with Jerrys post except you. You may have more members but how many ACTIVE members do you still have? I haven't seen one damn thing worth a shit about racing for a few weeks now. Andy seemed like he was gathering quite a crowd but jealous politics quickly took care of that.

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                  • #10
                    Wow, I just checked my pms after leaving my last message and this is a quote taken directly from the message.....
                    "I don't plan on checking this site as much in the future ,so please call if you want to get a hold of me"

                    FYI he is a relatively new member. Shame on you for NOT listening to your customers.

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                    • #11
                      Jerry - well said.... I was watching the site yesterday and thinking...

                      "BOY - has this place gone to the dogs (the dead dogs)...there is no life on the board anymore..... we would rag on each other, it was a give and take... you had to have some thick skin at times.. but if you gave it out, you'd better be able to take it when it was thrown back at you...

                      Cry babies would stick their noses in a post that had nothing to do with them... and ended up screwing things up....

                      But don't worry Jerry... I have have a copy of your post... they can windex the hell out of it... (have several other copies as well). Things may just appear elsewhere down the road.

                      That other site you mentioned in your post has sure gotten busy in the past several weeks....no windexing there... hell, they even have a special place where they move messages if they get too "HOT".... love the place.

                      I am sure that if things don't go back to being fun here, we (oops, can't talk for anyone but myself)... "I" will find a place that I enjoy going to for fun and giggles.

                      The outcome of the one getting banned because of a statement on another board will surely make a difference to those watching.

                      We have seen track owners/promoters/announcers make mistakes over the years.... and we have seen the results....(as you mentioned).

                      As OJ said... see you on the other side (They sure seem like they like us there). (I don't even think they have moderators, and if they do... they aren't "Power Happy")
                      Thank a Police Officer for what they do........... OSF:

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                      • #12
                        As the great African-American philosopher Rodney King once said "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG"
                        Last edited by Trash Inturn4; 03-06-2010, 09:44 AM.
                        Doug Wachtel

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                        • #13
                          (including Jack, Rick, Jane & Todd... the people that either allow or ban what is being said)


                          FYI, i don't have moderator powers any more.

                          haven't had since they started tweaking the board layout last week. they have figured out how to allow me to edit that track directory post though.

                          you might want to look up one of your old posts and see if you've still got editing rights on it. they may have turned off the edit timer for everybody or it may just be for "Gold" members.
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                          • #14
                            "What's highly dangerous is the attitude that the wishes of 93% of the people is irrelevant."

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                            • #15
                              Hey Rick,

                              Take a look at the other site and see what is being said. I am not saying this to be a smart ass but just trying to open your eyes a little bit. I am seeing alot of names pop up over their that look real familiar.
                              I am a business man and losing customers is the last thing a business ever wants to do, no matter how much they are are pain in the ass. Its a whole lot easier keeping long time loyal pain in the ass customers then it is getting new customers.

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