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  • #16
    Todd,

    Dirt racers do come to karnac but by what I have seen, when they are dq'd, they accept the dq'd and fix it. I will say their tech does not play around and no one gets away with anything. I know some of the guys at Volusia also go to Ocala and Putnam so they do travel.

    Years ago, when my ex ran runabouts, they were dissolved because too much cheating was going on. It was the novice class and suppose to be stock but I can't say that was really true. They cheated the cars up so bad that finally they just said enough and in came strictly stocks. When they began, the idea was bring a car to the track, take out the headlights and I think the taillights and go racing. It was suppose to be a car you could drive to the track and then drive home. Just an everyday car but over the years, that has changed some also.

    Someone once told me that you should never spend more than $1500 in a super stock motor but some of the runabouts were spending 5,000 or more to win a trophy and $10.00. Yes, they ran on street tires but alot bought new tires every week. Now I understand Strictly Stocks need taillights and if they don't have them, they are dq'd for the night.

    I have noticed that the count in Strictly Stocks have gone way down but now that anyone can race one and not just novice drivers, the new drivers get frustrated and leave. There was a time when you could not go back down in class and you could not drive a Strictly Stock if you had moved up in class or was not a novice. A few tried and were told no. Also after awhile and so many wins, they had to move up. But then money got tight and they let that rule slide by the side and anyone could drive one and for as long as they want which does frustrate the new guy.

    What is the answer?? Set up the rules and stick by them. Maybe have two classes of Strictly Stocks - one class where the novice can race and not have to compete against the pros and one class for the pros. They did that in Legends when they opened the Charger class and it worked. The new guys did not have enough experience to race the pros and got frustrated and wanted to leave and the Chargers were born. In that class, they felt better and less threatened. A novice class should be just that, novice. It is hard and scary for them to compete with Jim Erb, William Hindman, Neil Kirby, Bruce Gayton, Wild Bill, etc. They get frustrated and leave just like the Legend drivers did until they started the Chargers.

    Give the new guys a fairer playing field and one that they can learn in before you throw them into the pros. Make the rules and stick to them. No one wants to race if they know they will never win because they don't have a chance. Honestly, how many new drivers are there in the Strictly Stock class anymore, not many that I see and the same people win week after week. So maybe it would help if you could separate them - the pros and the novice and give the new guys a chance.

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    • #17
      Ahh speaking of Strictly Stocks... For those of you that were at NSS last week, did you happen to notice what "Strictly Stock" ran in the Super Stock race after it got DQ'd for an illegal Engine. Let me rephrase that, an engine that didn't pull enough vacuum...

      And if you really looked at it, the body height when run in the Super race didn't look any different than when it was running in the Strictly race, and it sure as hell didn't sound any different...

      Welcome back guys and hope to hell the rain stops so we can race this weekend... Been a long week and I am jonesin' for a race... Especially since the illustrious Boneman may make a rare racing occurrence...

      ROFLMAO....

      Have a great day all... And remember...

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      • #18
        Jane, its time for a reality check. Dirt racers cheat no more or no less than pavement racers. There is very little difference between the two species.

        Also, I have friends who race at VSP, and they have been plagued for years by targeted and inconsistent tech.
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        • #19
          The new guys did not have enough experience to race the pros and got frustrated and wanted to leave and the Chargers were born. In that class, they felt better and less threatened. A novice class should be just that, novice. It is hard and scary for them to compete with Jim Erb, William Hindman, Neil Kirby, Bruce Gayton, Wild Bill, etc.



          Jane, this is bull.

          the answer to being a novice is to go around the pits and ask advice of the people who know what they are doing. it is NOT to go crying to the tech shed, trying to get other people thrown out.

          no novice should have any expectation of getting on the track and coming home with a trophy the first month they run. they don't know how to drive, they don't know flags, they get caught looking in the mirror instead of turning into the corner, they don't know what is and is not possible on the track or with their car, most of them don't even prep their cars at all.

          i've helped guys with my toe bar, given recommendations on tire pressures, warned them about the wooptie in turn 3, etc.

          i don't have any problem with the weight penalty for wins clause that has been floated around various places. but that hasn't even been tried.



          and not just novice drivers, the new drivers get frustrated and leave.

          weird that i've got half the Strictly Stock guys at OSW asking me when i'm going to run again.

          and when we had fields of 25 cars, we had guys who had run as high as Sportman coming in and running Strictly.



          Now I understand Strictly Stocks need taillights and if they don't have them, they are dq'd for the night.

          no, Strictlys are only required to have a high mounted 3rd brake light. all the guys are having to jerry rig brake light systems back together because everybody had taken them off.

          as far as i know, except for the windshield all glass and trim has always been required to be taken off of the car. the track doesn't want to deal with the clean up.
          Last edited by Todd McCreary; 05-22-2009, 03:32 PM.
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          • #20
            Boneman

            I have been told that the tech man at VSP is new this year and is very good and fair. Since I was use to asphalt before, I only knew their tech but this is what I have been told. I have not seen them pick on any one car or driver but I will watch. And I have seen tech pick on a car and driver so I do know it happens.

            Todd - you know I love you but runabouts and strictly have changed greatly over the years. It was originally designed for novice drivers (no racing experience what-so-ever). Duane Freed and Tim Walters ruled the division when it was runabouts and were told to move up or leave. Duane did move up but I think Tim could not afford it and quit but I may be wrong.

            Today, the real novice drivers are put against much more experienced drivers.
            Back then, you could not go back to runabouts or strictly if you had run in a higher division keeping the playing field alittle more level and fair. I still think two divisions would work - the pros and non-pros. It gets very frustrating for any driver to run and put alot of work into running only to never see victory lane because you don't have the experience like others.

            But this is only my opinion and that is all it is, an opinion. I understand times have changed and money has definitely changed and now you may see a strictly stock driver run that division and another all in the same night. So where do the real novice drivers fit in anymore?? That is all that I am asking.

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            • #21
              It gets very frustrating for any driver to run and put alot of work into running only to never see victory lane because you don't have the experience like others.

              a healthy field will have a minimum of 20 cars. whether or not you "allow" "experienced" drivers, at least half of the field are going to be backmarkers who never will take a checker. whether because they don't do any car prep or they drug a slow car out of the weeds or they just plain don't have any talent or whatever the reason, they're just not going to be up to speed.




              Duane Freed and Tim Walters ruled the division when it was runabouts and were told to move up or leave. Duane did move up but I think Tim could not afford it and quit but I may be wrong.


              a - Tim quit until they let him start running Strictly again. where is Duane now? i see results for him in School Bus figure 8's. this is "moving up"?

              b - even when FASCAR had the "no experienced drivers" rule, they had track favorites that they allowed to run year after year even though they had numerous wins and had run as high as Sportsman and Mini-Stock.

              now, you can say that point b is an issue with whoever is making the rulings but it doesn't change what was.....

              i can see having two classes with the same car rules, the only difference being that one class is novices and one class is experienced. Citrus does this. but you have to have enough cars around to justify it. if you've got less than 15 cars combined, don't even bother.

              if you're really that concerned about giving the backmarkers a "chance", you'll do full field inverts. period. and i'm not aware of anybody in Fla doing this.
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              • #22
                oh my aching tuna!!!

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