nss tech guys

[ss29]

i go up to the track for the first time to race in strickly stocks with a friend and we are asked not to bring our cars back.they told us our cars are unsafe cause they are unibody...and say that unibodys are not allowed to run there.BS on that you guys have been letting people run unibodys up there for years now and just did this past weekend.one week after your BS rule was applied to me...i would think as hard as it is to keep a good car count you wouldnt turn anyone away and try to work it out so we can all run!

[Edm]

So whats it take to make them safe? I see alot of them on dirt so I know its possible. Instead of sending them away to run at another track, have them fix their car so it is safe and within the rules.

[Boneman]

Strictly stocks are such a mess! What a shame because it is a cool class that usually puts on great races. I guarantee that there is no class where the rule book is in less agreement with what is being run than in FASCAR Strictlys.

There are virtually no running cars that meet the rule book: full-sized, full-framed, carburated cars. As a joke, I suggested that the 1960 Buick shown below is one of the last eligible cars, and I am not far off.

If I was the inspector, and understanding that the class rules are not enforced, I'd tell the driver of #29 to put a safe cage in your car, then come back to race with us.

What did NSS have last week? 7 cars? I think OSW had 10. This should be the biggest class. Remember last December? Rick Bristol put up a little money for Strictly Stocks and like magic, they had 29 or 30 cars who put on a hell of a entertaining race.

If you enforce the current rule book to everyone equally, you will have 2-3 cars. So JUNK the current rules, rewrite them to better reflect the multitude of cars that are capable of running, and hopefully put up a little money. It should be a great class that is well attended, and easily pays for itself.

[ss29]

people have said older full frame cars cant keep up with smaller fwd cars...boy are they wrong take friday nights race.you had 2 big body monte's, 2 v6 fwd cars,and a 4 banger fwd car 3 and 4 wide for half the race.all trying to lead.carl green is doing a good job of making it work just wish nss would do the same...i talked to carl green friday night at speedworld and told him i would be willing to put in a roll over bar and a bar down each door.he said he would talk to butch about it.i dont want to put a lot of time and money in a car for a trophy class! as of right now ill show my support to osw as for nss not so much...i went to vsp sat. night and they had a great show and there stock 4 banger cars pay.. so im lookin to go back to playing in the dirt.

[flraceguy]

.i talked to carl green friday night at speedworld and told him i would be willing to put in a roll over bar and a bar down each door.he said he would talk to butch about it.i dont want to put a lot of time and money in a car for a trophy class! as of right now ill show my support to osw as for nss not so much...i went to vsp sat. night and they had a great show and there stock 4 banger cars pay.. so im lookin to go back to playing in the dirt.

I see that you take for granted your body and the tremendous pain that can come to a body when you have a "little" accident in the strictly stock races anywhere... Honestly let's be serious for a moment, all race cars whether they be an upper class or not should all have some sort of a roll cage... I am not saying a full blown monster cage like a SLM or a Mod but at the very minimum a 2 or 4 point... It doesn't cost alot of money to do that... Don't tell me it does because I can prove you wrong 100% of the time...

And don't give me that BULLSHIT about it being just a Trophy class... How much do you value yourself or someone else's life... Just because it isn't a "money" class doesn't mean that you can't get hurt... You are driving a couple of thousand pounds at a very fast rate of speed right alongside other people that are going just as fast or faster... Remember the Full size caprice that in Strictly's last year at NSS, coming out of two, a tire went down, his frame was bent in 7 places and yes his cage helped him out of that one... Remember you "ain't" racing Nerf Cars...

And damn man don't get us started about Carl.. He is a nice guy but Good grief... We would all love to see you and everyone else from OSW race at NSS, and I bet if you spoke to Butch directly and asked him directly what you would need to do to allow your car to run at NSS, his requests would probably be reasonable...

Have a great night all...

[Todd McCreary]

they told us our cars are unsafe cause they are unibody.

that is NOT in the FASCAR rule book. make them get the book out. better yet, print it out and put it in their face.

as far as size is concerned, the Mark 8 has a 113" wheelbase and a curb weight of ~3600 lbs. you're already bigger than the metric cars.

[derf]

I know strictly stocks are a "trophy" class but all should have a roll cage and good seatbelts.Everyone should at least have a firesuit as well.

[rhinoracing11]

Maybe im missing something?Why would u race a uni body whith out connecting the 2.And why race on a 1/2 mile assphalt fast track like NSS
With other inexperience drivers with out some cage?I would guess u dont have a window net too?
Go to VCS Pures A simple cage and other simple modifications.WQould be a lot more fun.
Just look at the car counts,It tell a lot about the track.
Rob

[OLD STYLE RACER 2]

Ss29

YOU are part of the reason why racing costs so much!! Your on here crying about how the Tech man was picking on you and then you had to go and post again and prove just how much smarter than you the Tech man is. Anybody who climbs into a "race car" that is not safe should be ran out of the sport quicker than he got into it, if he's too stupid to comprehend that someone is trying to help them.
It's kinda funny that you got the time to go on your computer and whine, But I'd be willing to bet that your computer costs more than a professionally built 4 point cage would cost. Yet that cage could save your life, Will your computer do the same?

I love dirt racing. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE, Don't come back to dirt racing, especially to Volusia. They had someone hurt really bad last year in there 4 cyl. class and he had a cage in his car [put in badly, but atleast he had a cage]. From what I understand, That man will never be the same.

Thanks for setting the record straight though. I was on your side till your second post. Instead of acting like a baby and getting mad, maybe you should have spoke to the tech man at NSS and asked him why he did what he did.

[Hired Gun]

Well Now

Well my last post I just wanted to see what people thought about NSS not letting a "Full Size/Frame" whatever"! cars run. I won that strickly stock race at NSS that night and Tim Walter finished 2nd. The tech guy "new guy" said to me that he was told to tell me "we'll let you and your buddy have 1,2 tonight,but dont bring those cars back." When I asked what's wrong with them? he said "I dont know" I kinda followed him around and asked again, He said that there to small to run here, stricklys go to fast here for to little unibody cars. My speedo works in my car. At orlando I can get about 75m.p.h. out of it. At NSS it just got to 92m.p.h. not much faster for a 1/2 mile. There was about 5 unibody cars running last year off and on, including the 9b "farmont" the 44 "FWD caddy"
and 1 or 2 fwd GM's. Has Todd said "Unibody" is not in the rules never has been.
FASCAR needs to get with the times and have someone rewrite the rules for this class.No offense to the tech guys at ether track, but if it's not a small block chevy or a 2300 ford they dont have clue. I work in the salvage yard business and the old Big Montes are nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find. and a complete one that might run, you have a better shot at winning the lotto. If you want to race you got to run what you can find, and cars NSS wants to see are long gone.

[ss29]

im not saying that they arent tryin to keep me safe...they just dont get that the unibody cars are a dime a dozen and thats what people are going to run.and for the smart a** that wants to be a cool guy. i do have a window net.that works ,i wear a fire suit and i have a scca approved seat and belts in my car...more than a lot of other cars ive seen out there... the rules allow you to run a stock seat belt (there is no way in hell i would do that) all i was getting at was they told us we couldnt run cuz the cars were unibody and thats fine...so why are they letting other unibody cars run? the fwd caddy that runs there every week is unibody with no cage but while we are one the cage thing anyone know where i can get one put in that not going to cost me a ton? it has to have the stock dash in it still....

[ss29]

YOU are part of the reason why racing costs so much!! Your on here crying about how the Tech man was picking on you and then you had to go and post again and prove just how much smarter than you the Tech man is. Anybody who climbs into a "race car" that is not safe should be ran out of the sport quicker than he got into it, if he's too stupid to comprehend that someone is trying to help them.
It's kinda funny that you got the time to go on your computer and whine, But I'd be willing to bet that your computer costs more than a professionally built 4 point cage would cost. Yet that cage could save your life, Will your computer do the same?

I love dirt racing. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE, Don't come back to dirt racing, especially to Volusia. They had someone hurt really bad last year in there 4 cyl. class and he had a cage in his car [put in badly, but atleast he had a cage]. From what I understand, That man will never be the same.

Thanks for setting the record straight though. I was on your side till your second post. Instead of acting like a baby and getting mad, maybe you should have spoke to the tech man at NSS and asked him why he did what he did.

how do i make racing cost so much... could you tell me?we tried to talk to the tech guys .they just dont want to let us run.todd has been told to leave with his car more than once and its got a full cage, how is that not a safe car? by the way todd how many NOT IN THE RULE BOOK rules did they throw at you about your car? all im getting at is to enforce a rule on anyone you should enforce them on others.it had nothing to do with cage or no cage.i agree with you a cage is a great thing trust me...

[OLD STYLE RACER 2]

My point was that you go out there with no cage and then get hurt. Insurance then has to pay which in turn they charge more to the tracks which in turn charge us more to get in the pits. I hope you see my point.
I , for the life of me can't understand why a person would not do what they could to make themselves safer. I saw what you have have posted about safety gear you have and I am even more baffled by you. You seem to have everything you need except for a cage.What happens next if you get turned upside down? You seem to have everything you need to hold yourself into a car but what do you have to keep that car from collapsing down on top of you IF you were to get upside down??....I'm sorry, but to me this was always a hobby and if there was anything that I could do to make me safer, I did. Hell, When my guys would leave at the end of the night, I would go back over what they did. Not because I didn't trust them, But because it was my butt in the car.
Maybe I'm harping, If so, I'm sorry. I just believe in making yourself as safe as possible.

[AJ14]

There should never be any class of racing that doesn't have a complete set of safety rules . Street seat belts ? Why should that be legal in any form of racing ?
I've seen enough injury and death in stock type classes that i'm a firm believer in all classes having the same basic rules regarding cages , fire bottle , seats , belts , fire suit and helmet . If you can't afford the safety equipment , you really need to stay in the stands .
A uni-body can be made much stronger , strong enough for NSS or any other short track . Theres lots of cars out there that aren't 30 years old . Lets re-write the rules so those cars can be used too .

[Todd McCreary]

by the way todd how many NOT IN THE RULE BOOK rules did they throw at you about your car?

off the top of my head:

• not RWD ( rule book only says the diff can't be locked or posi, it doesn't require the diff to be at the back of the car )
• not full frame
• not enough weight
• didn't have the same wheels all the way around ( rule book just says factory steel and the tires have to be the same size ). i think it's faster now that i've got all 4 wheels the same, thanks guys.

oddly, i don't think they've ever even mentioned the EFI or OHC.

when we had the blue Probe set up for dirt ( no windshield, but bars and a screen + full face helmet ) they were letting it run at OSW but threw me out of NSS without even letting me turn practice. that one really pissed me off. we had just fixed something on the car and needed to shake it out before we hauled up to Indiana for an enduro, i didn't even care if i raced or not i just wanted to run ~5 practice laps. OSW was closed that week and i was leaving for Indiana in the upcoming week.



The tech guy "new guy" said to me that he was told to tell me "we'll let you and your buddy have 1,2 tonight,but dont bring those cars back." When I asked what's wrong with them? he said "I dont know"

it's not the tech guy's decision, there's no need to go off on him. the problem is higher up than that and has been here a lot longer than he has.