hmmmmm

[Osmosis Jones]

aaauuugghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Lightning strikes 167 times in the same place! (My cryptic way of saying she did it again!)

WTF!

"this was the Christmas Holiday. hence the reason for all the religious talk. there is little or no racing going on right now ... so i dont think it was inappropriate for believers to wish each other happy holidays.
the headings were pretty explicit..."

NO! The headings weren't explicit and it was NOT just Happy Holidays wishes! YOU had to "wonder" about everyone's values because there were no responses to why people don't see the need to get worked up when people shorten Christmas to XMAS.....BECAUSE IT'S NO BIG DEAL!!!!!
Tell me...when you go shopping for your grandkids, do you write "Merry Day of Christ's Birth" on each of their presents? Well, shouldn't you?
Do you hide eggs on Easter? WHY?? Did Jesus rise from the grave just to have breakfast?

Hey...I know why the holidays are celebrated AND I know the biblical and theological reasons for why they came to be. I just don't want to debate them or defend them on a racing board. (repeat that last line about a million times and maybe it will sink in. Again....doubtful.)

[carolwicks]

Hey...I know why the holidays are celebrated AND I know the biblical and theological reasons for why they came to be. I just don't want to debate them or defend them on a racing board. (repeat that last line about a million times and maybe it will sink in. Again....doubtful.)

Then dont! You can write or say anything you want OJ and we can chose to read your posts or not. same rights are guaranteed for the rest of us...like it or not... if one of your friends wrote what i wrote, nothing would have been said. you just enjoy "trying" to make me feel stupid or sad...save your breath... im not stupid and im not sad...im just getting tired of the same old insults so im going to try and keep away from the pc for today.... December 28th might go down in Karnac history..... rofllllllllllllll
carol

[ocalasp76]

And the Man(or woman, your choice)above spoke:

[ABYSS64]

So, now this is a Christian message board? Funny, I usually come here for racing news.

If you (the general public) want to put your posts out there pushing your own beliefs, don't you DARE try to make people feel ashamed/embarrassed that they don't feel the same way.

If someone came on here and wished everyone a Happy Ramadan, they would be crucified themselves. I don't care WHAT your own personal beliefs are... if they work for YOU, then whoop-de-doo for you. It still doesn't make you RIGHT, even if you are in the majority. There are plenty of other countries where you are in the MINORITY in those beliefs. Does that make YOU wrong???

Carol... don't feel "disillusioned" about the lack of responses. That's the way it SHOULD be. People making their OWN choices, having faith in whoever makes their life better, and the guts to keep their beliefs to themselves.

I don't push MY beliefs that this whole religion business is a load of money-making, war-starting, political influenced crap.... please don't push the idea that Christians are right and everyone else is wrong.

Your opinion, and your allowed to have it.... just don't DARE try pushing it on me.

Two words bro, THANK YOU!!

[ABYSS64]

You just can't stop, can you?

"1990 readers of this post and 59 responses.... the post don wrote commemorating the birth of Jesus on Christmas got 505 readers and 18 responses...
does that tell you something about our values?"


"i said before, we are all responsible for our own actions and how we handle our lives. that doesnt mean i condemn those who dont feel like i do. i believe that only God can judge..."

ALL YOU DO IS JUDGE, CAROL.
And then you dig a hole so deep you can't throw the dirt high enough to get out of the hole you've made.


Bob...the whole point is no one wants to come here to read about or be drug into a religious or political debate. No....that's wrong. There ARE people who seem to like that but I still believe the majority want to discuss RACING and RACING RELATED subjects.
The real problem is Carol KNOWS that but she WANTS to spark a big debate about it. Pretty much why she started this thread, dontcha think? I mean, it was already beaten to death on another thread but she just HAD to try to restart it here. I'm sure she will be back-peddling and try to deny it or say that she really didn't mean it that way....that is her modus operandi, you know.
I don't deny anyone his or her religious affiliations just as I don't care what division, or brand of car they want to race. But at least this is a place to talk about which track they like or which driver they like to hate.

REAL RACIN USA MOTORSPORTS FORUM. Sounds like a racing site to me, man.

Lol, dude you get my vote for member of the year, if we ever meet the beers on me!!

[dave41]

carol

Carol ,I said I could show you SATIN. He is working on this board now ,trying to stop us from talking about our GOD. they know God is real because, He is the only one that can Damn it. any time you want to talk about GOD and his SON , I AM HERE. Dave O'Steen Dave 41.

[carolwicks]

Dave

Satan works everywhere... i certainly didnt want to cheapen the Lords name by opening a can of worms. my only intention was to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and to remind everyone what this time means. they dont have to believe..God will be our judge...
somehow things have a way of spiraling on this board and i keep trying to explain myself. well God doesnt need explaining... I dont need explaining either. i am a really caring decent woman and just because some of the ppl on this board dont feel the same way i have no intentions of changing what took so long to fix! ;-) i have done my share of wrong doing over the years. but I dont worry because i know God will forgive me and thats all that matters to me.
thank you for having the courage to post your love of our Savior.
we do have to talk some racing tho huh? ;-) but to say God has nothing to do with racing is kind of scary because most of our drivers rely on Him and their crews to keep them safe.
thank you dave...
carolwicks aka oz

[carolwicks]

Holy Criminy.....

this is so wrong. ppl who love and believe in God get put in the complainer section and ppl who call each other a$$holes and insult each other get to control the message board in general.
the easiest solution would be for anyone who doesnt want to hear me to just skip over all my posts... but the truth is they thrive on the drama.

carolwicks aka oz

[Benny The Mule]

this is so wrong. ppl who love and believe in God get put in the complainer section and ppl who call each other a$$holes and insult each other get to control the message board in general.
the easiest solution would be for anyone who doesnt want to hear me to just skip over all my posts... but the truth is they thrive on the drama.

carolwicks aka oz

I wanted to stay out of this and probably should have. You got moved to complainers corner for starting a rant because you can't force you beliefs on others, not because you believe in god. everyone who believes believes in A GOD. I am Baptist and even i get ill when religion is FORCED on others. Spreading the word is right................but to those who want to listen. Not who you want to MAKE listen.

I have an awesome quote but will not actually quote to keep from putting the man's name on here.

From my old preacher (R I P).....As long as you accept jesus into your heart you will stay the right path, there is no need for you to come to church on sunday..........but, i sure enjoy your company.

[carolwicks]

Benny

thank you for being a gentleman. i can accept criticism if it is done politely. i didnt want to go on a religious debate. i simply wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas... i did answer Dons post and it just escalated . it is over now and im trying to get past it. but not because they "ran me off"... i left of my own accord because i hate to see His name desecrated.
i wont ever try to force God on anyone... like they say...they know all about Jesus and some choose not to believe. i would not think of forcing anyone to change. they wouldnt anyway.
i do defend my right to speak of Him... ;-)
again thank you for not stepping on my face.
carol... oh and a real Happy New Year to you and those you love.

[dave41]

carol

Carol, we reach a point in Life where every Day is a very good Day. No complaints. Dave O'Steen

[carolwicks]

no kiddin dave

every morning i wake up i think "wow, im still here"... ;-)
what i used to take for granted is almost a miracle now... lol Happy New Year to you and yours!
carol aka oz

[Osmosis Jones]

And still.......she just...can't....stop.

You are truly an amazing piece of work.

"Satan works everywhere... i certainly didnt want to cheapen the Lords name by opening a can of worms. my only intention was to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and to remind everyone what this time means."

I gonna have to call bullshit on this one. This was EXACTLY what you intended to do. That's why you HAD to start another thread just to chastise people for not reading or responding to Don's initial post. Stop blaming your dirty work on Satan. According to what I've read in my bible, he sure doesn't need your help.

"they dont have to believe..God will be our judge..."

Wow. I never said I wasn't a Christian or that I didn't believe in Christianity. Can't recall anyone else saying that either. In fact, all anyone has ever said is that they don't want to be preached at or have their religious beliefs debated on a racing message board.
Pretty simple stuff, really. I don't know why you have such a hard time getting your head around that.

"but to say God has nothing to do with racing is kind of scary because most of our drivers rely on Him and their crews to keep them safe."

...more propaganda from Carol that she pulled out of thin air. Never read about anybody denying His existence or involvement in their racing team's endeavors, either.

"somehow things have a way of spiraling on this board and i keep trying to explain myself"

...somehow?.....really?

"well God doesnt need explaining... I dont need explaining either"

Another "wow" moment.....she just made our whole point. We don't need God explained to us. You seem to agree. So please, just stop already.
But as far as explaining you........well, let's just say the Bible is light reading compared to that text.

"this is so wrong."

"the easiest solution would be for anyone who doesnt want to hear me to just skip over all my posts... but the truth is they thrive on the drama."

Well...you were bitching about something. So this move couldn't be more right. Some people are trying to skip over your posts but you've gotta keep dropping trees in the road so we have to drive way off the road to get around them....
...so I'm just gonna let the red words speak for themselves right here......(rolling eyes)....

"i left of my own accord because i hate to see His name desecrated."

"Holy Criminy....."

Self-loathing is a real bitch, ain't it?......so, uh...just when will you be leaving then?....(as if that will EVER happen...)


Okay.....I've had enough fun with this thread. I am glad it got moved to the complainer's corner, though. I probably wouldn't have thought about it again otherwise. Thanks, Benny, for explaining it to Carol. I'm sure she totally missed the point and will no doubt do it again but, speaking for myself, the effort is appreciated. Great quote(paraphrase) too, BTW. Sounds like a wise man.

Okay....one more for the road....

"i simply wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas"

So how hard would it have been to just "simply" type.....

Merry Christmas


OJ out

[carolwicks]

OJ

who is harrassing who? you come on here on New Years Day and just as hateful as last year. leave me the hell alone. what i say is none of your damn business...
go help someone...do something useful.
you do not make me want to leave. you make me want to stay!
Happy New Year! if you even know how to be happy.
carolwicks

[flvideo]

Matt you and I have known each other for a very long time. I knew your dad for a long time. You know my stand on this and I am sure every one that has read knows your stand. I respect your beliefs and I am sure you respect mine. That being said enough is enough, let the old lady alone. She is entitled to her beliefs as you are. All she started out to do was to wish every one a merry Christmas and let them know the reason for the season. I agree with her but you know that. I don't need to defend my faith so just talk about racing and leave Wixy be wixy. If she annoys you then avoid post you see her name on. That ain't rocket science. You know my number if you want to talk about it. Your long time friend Bob.....