this is terrifying... about clunkers...

[pintodave]

Regardless of what you think about Glen Beck, the implications behind what the government is doing is flat out scary.

- They are using tax money (actually they are spending money they dont even have) to "buy" cars from people at a flat value regardless of what the car is really worth

- The car must be destroyed, thus removing parts out of circulation from people (or racers for that matter) that could reuse them

- The government slips in there "Oh by the way, if you take our free money we have every right to rummage through your personal affairs on your computer."


I think Ben Franklin had it right... But hey he is just some old dead guy, what does he know...

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."

-Benjamin Franklin

[FLQuacker]

I don't know what other conclusion you could come to .

I've seen no evidence in your diatribes, that would lend credence to any argument from me on that statement.

Some people sell themselves short.....some are honest....some just don't have a clue.

[roundtracker]

What's the problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_4p6htWJIo

This is all coming from the hero that you voted for. Don't you wish you would have voted with your head and not your heart now?

[AJ14]

I don't know what other conclusion you could come to .

I've seen no evidence in your diatribes, that would lend credence to any argument from me on that statement.

Some people sell themselves short.....some are honest....some just don't have a clue.

Good work with your neighbors Thesaurus . You might want to work on sentence structure next , that one is just a bit clumsey .

[Todd McCreary]

okay, now this is just stupid.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C...ked_702277.htm


i never have cared for the C4 body style but come on.

add to that the government can't even get the checks out to the dealerships even after seizing legal control of their computers ....

[AJ14]

Oh its much bigger than that Todd . We've taken over everyones computer , ( you really should be ashamed of yourself for visiting those types of websites , i thought that stuff was illegal , Remember , we're watching you ) and we aren't going to reimburse the dealers because we want them to fail so we can take them over too . Its begun . The government is coming to get your guns and re-distribute the wealth . Once we get those old people out of the way , the government take over of health care can begin in earnest .

[Todd McCreary]

you're a smart guy, AJ.

define "Fascism" for us, would you?

[Todd McCreary]

( you really should be ashamed of yourself for visiting those types of websites , i thought that stuff was illegal , Remember , we're watching you )

"those types" of websites? you mean, crazy right wing stuff like the Huffington Post?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_258285.html

MSNBC, that's one a them there lunatic right wing organizations too, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAn4Q3Jfqvc

[AJ14]

you're a smart guy, AJ.

define "Fascism" for us, would you?

Gladly . The term desribes the Italians in World War 2 , but the root goes back many centuries . Fascism is unreasoning hyper-patriotism .

[AJ14]

( you really should be ashamed of yourself for visiting those types of websites , i thought that stuff was illegal , Remember , we're watching you )

"those types" of websites? you mean, crazy right wing stuff like the Huffington Post?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_258285.html

MSNBC, that's one a them there lunatic right wing organizations too, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAn4Q3Jfqvc

Nope , those aren't the sites i'm talking about .

[FLQuacker]

Gladly . The term desribes the Italians in World War 2 , but the root goes back many centuries . Fascism is unreasoning hyper-patriotism .

WRONG...."unreasoning hyper-patriotism" CAN be a product of a Fascist, but that's NOT what Fascism is.

[AJ14]

WRONG...."unreasoning hyper-patriotism" CAN be a product of a Fascist, but that's NOT what Fascism is.

Nice try Quacker , but no . You are confusing the ist and the ism as it relates to the definition .

[FLQuacker]

Nice try Quacker , but no . You are confusing the ist and the ism as it relates to the definition .

The following statement would also be true referencing your argument:

WRONG...."unreasoning hyper-patriotism" CAN be a product of fascism, but that's NOT what a fascist is.

(note the substitution of words)

[Todd McCreary]

Fascism is unreasoning hyper-patriotism .

absolutely, flat out wrong. which is what i was expecting from you. Fascism is a form of government, just as much as Marxist Socialism, Communism, a Monarchy, Democracy or Republic.

nationalism/patriotism ( as opposed to internationalism ) is simply one of the differentiating factors between Fascism and a more orthodox Marxist philosophy and form of Socialism/Communism. there are at least two more major philosophical ( not necessarily governmental ) differences between Marxisms and Mussolinisms but i'm not even going to bother going into that with you. it wouldn't mean anything too you.



but the root goes back many centuries .

yes, the root goes back at least to the Romans and the modern term is meant to be descriptive of the greater strength that a society will have if the Proletariat, Bourgeois and Aristocracy all work together instead of engaging in the class warfare ( Proles vs all ) demanded by Marx's "inevitable forces of history".

and it's no accident that Fascism used those terms to describe the elements of society. before Mussolini wrote his Fascist Manifesto he was perhaps the leading Marxist Communist in Italy.


these radio out takes from Air America ( another one of those notoriously unreliable and histrionic Right Wing Hate Groups Out To Get Obama Because Of Their Racism ) are hilarious. their definition of Fascism at the end isn't technically correct but it will do for a colloquial talking point:
http://www.breitbart.tv/charming-lia...ist-drug-deal/

and none of you bat an eyelash when Hillary Clinton talks about Public-Private Partnerships or when Obama talks about establishing a "Civilian National Security Force" that's just as powerful as the existing military. it's exasperating talking to people like you when you just sit there and flatly deny what the politician has just told you; that he explicitly intends to implement Fascist governmental policies. you aren't even equipped to understand what he's talking about but you'll be happy to tell me i'm the ignorant one.

i can't wait for him to try implementing that new, private national Security force of his. i'll need an extra large bucket of popcorn to watch that trainwreck.




Nope , those aren't the sites i'm talking about .

really? i'm shocked and awed. how do you explain these types of stories showing up on a non-Lunatic Right Wing News Source™©®? i'm really confused now.


in other news, Obama re-appoints Ben "Helicopter Cash" Bernanke as Chairman of the Federal Reserve. don't these Democrats have any ideas of their own? they've got to re-appoint the same Republican apparatchiks that got us into this mess in the first place to keep doing the things that put us here? huh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ79Pt2GNJo

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogsp...omotional.html

[AJ14]

I have a real choice here , i can accept your version of events and your definitions obtained from a web site , or i can go with my college degree . HMMMMM , difficult choice . I think i'll go with the world wide recognized versions .
Nothing against the net style of education you understand , i just think a web site run by a unemployed ( and unemployable ) guy , probably in his underwear watching tv at the same time , the web site where you are obviously getting your version of the world , is a poor choice for info .
The world is not out to get you Todd .
There is no government plot to take over your brain waves .
There is no truth whatsoever to most of what you believe about the world .
It is the zenith of stupidity to only get your info from people who agree with you . And just as stupid to listen to other sides only so you can belittle them instead of trying to learn something .
I read most of your posts , you sound like a pretty smart guy , certainly know a lot about racing . This paranoia thing of yours is troubling .