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Old 05-13-2013, 05:29 AM
victory10 victory10 is offline
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I recently moved down here, bought a very good sportsman car, went all the way through it and have taken it to 5 shows. the rule is either a "sealed" 602 crate or a 360 max open motor. the crate gets to run a 4 barrell while the open motor has to run a 2 barrell.....here is where I am seriously confused and kinda getting pissed....

these crate motors are being bought for $3000, then taken to places & spending another $3-$4,000.00 & getting it completely redone & cheated up so they are very close to the equal of a open motor. They get these motor re-sealed or, for some tracks & series the rule now does not even require seals so that makes it even easier & the majority of guys running the crate deal are getting away with it & the biggest issue is they are still allowed to run a 4 barrell while the open motors must remain running a 3 barrell.....amazing is all I can say with that!!

the last 2 races we run, the car has handled excellent. the entry is faster than anyone, the middle is right on the bottom & then there is the exit where I have the 2 barrell to the floor and compared to the legal crate motored cars, we look dead slow. We also get flat smoked, by 2-3 car lengths, on every restart by these illegal crate motors an thier 4 barrell carbs....by the end of the race, every car in the race falls off and I caught the entire group BUT with no time to do anything with only 2 laps left. Im sorry nor am I dumb as I have been doing this a long time and there is NO WAY a legal crate motor with a 4 barrell is going to be that much faster than a open motor with a 2 barrell. Now, before anyone chimes in and tries to tell me different or that its something we are doing, save it because we turn the motor 7200-7400, our set up has been super good as I said, the open motor we run is top of the line & the bottom line is, these crate motors are NOT legal.

I guess what I am wondering and saying to promoters and such is why is this continuing to be allowed or, more importantly, why isnt there one carb rule for everyone, which would fix the issue all together? In my opinion & why tech guys fails to see, which amazes me because I have only been racing down here 2 months & I see it clear as a bell. Fact of the matter is, if it is not "exactly" the way it come from gm, factory seals, inside & out including the balancer, then it should NOT be legal or, more importantly, it should be be required to run the 2 barrell carb. In my honest opinion, with the seals are not even required at most tracks, there needs to be ONE CARB RULE period for everyone regardless of what motor they run. then, if the crate motor is a 100% stock factory crate motor, then give them a 50 pound weight break for the horsepower difference. I still cannot figure out why something has not been done & get the issue fixed. It is a simple fix by either making ONE carb rule or making the crate motors that are allowed to run a 4 barrell remain 100% stock from the manufacturer.

with all that said, I catch on to all games that get played fairly quick and I am plan to enter into the game myself but to me, its just simply bulls!@t that it has to be that way at all. I feel better now but still irritated & disgusted!!!! LOL.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:45 AM
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You have two options

1. Cheat like the rest because most tracks tech is a joke. They can't afford to loose any cars so their tech in minimal.

2. Protest the engines you feel are cheated up. Drivers are to going to have to start protesting to solve the problem.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:57 AM
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well, if I had been around here for a while, I definately would consider the protest, HOWEVER, probably not because I am the type who dont like acting that way or calling someone out, I would just as soon do whatever is being done as its truly not the teams fault if the teching is not being done right & you are right about that, the teching is very minimum &, again, Im sure your correct with the lack of cars to go around, nobody wants to lose any of the ones they have. double edged sword really &, like I said, I will do whatever is being done so we are on the same level but still think one carb rule would resolve it if all this cheater crate stuff is true. Ive talked to a few who say its not, then I talk to good friends I have known for years down here who say it is.....
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:48 AM
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Todd,

If you would like to buy the crate motor, out of the track record holding, sportsman car, set last year by me at a 14.22, it is available, for 3100.00 just like it came from GM. This offer is to anybody looking for a good crate motor. It won 8 races last year,out of 11 races, and probably should have won 2 more. You all know it has all the tricks .

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Old 05-15-2013, 12:58 PM
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The cheater crates are out there, here's one for sale here on KARNAC.

05-12-2013, 05:20 PM
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Sold that 602 I do got a other 602 crate that is a cheater 602 with seals for 4000 385 hp with four barrel and 368 with 2 barrel
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